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Final Expense Phone Qualifying Is Working
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Robocall Lawsuit Leads to $65K Award | Sokolove Law
FTC Fines Telemarketers for Violations of Do Not Call Law
"Notice in the last link a company that did not robo call was fined because they allowed a robo caller to use thier equipment. The exposer for violation seems pretty far reaching."
Now I only have a para legal degree unlike Josh and his Harvard law degree but when I read these two posts I see no similarity to those decisions and what we are discussing here in anyway shape or form.
Insinuating thee two decisions are remotely similar to what we are discussing is flat out misleading. In no way would these decisions lead one to believe a third party agent can be held liable for what a lead vendor might or might not have done in order to procur leads.
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Robocall Lawsuit Leads to $65K Award | Sokolove Law
FTC Fines Telemarketers for Violations of Do Not Call Law
"Notice in the last link a company that did not robo call was fined because they allowed a robo caller to use thier equipment. The exposer for violation seems pretty far reaching."
Now I only have a para legal degree unlike Josh and his Harvard law degree but when I read these two posts I see no similarity to those decisions and what we are discussing here in anyway shape or form.
Insinuating thee two decisions are remotely similar to what we are discussing is flat out misleading. In no way would these decisions lead one to believe a third party agent can be held liable for what a lead vendor might or might not have done in order to procur leads.
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If you haven't read the last 20 posts then how do you know your question hasn't been answered? Image:
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Robocall Lawsuit Leads to $65K Award | Sokolove Law
FTC Fines Telemarketers for Violations of Do Not Call Law
Notice in the last link a company that did not robo call was fined because they allowed a robo caller to use thier equipment. The exposer for violation seems pretty far reaching.
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So the question is, are you going to keep buying Press 1 leads? It sounds like you got your answer, willful ignorance is not an excuse.
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it sounds like his press 1 leads are legal, since a live person begins the call
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I would like someone to respond to that, too. I've never used those leads, but I have been following this thread because it is interesting to me.
Josh has made a very valid argument that they are not allowed. Now comes another side of the story. I would like for Josh to weigh in now.
There might come a day that I would want to try these leads. I certainly wouldn't if I thought they illegal. Now I don't know if they are or not.
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Always possible, but I'd want to get it in writing if it was me.
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Again, because they are getting explicit permission to play the recording that changes everything. This is a very long thread, but that is something that was discussed before. So just to be clear:
It is illegal to voice broadcast/robo call/ press 1 unless you have specific permission to do that from the client. Not just a bulk opt-in list, one specific for this.
That being said, if they're getting permission upfront, then that's legit. I would still be nervous of I were them because of the other provisions about how the recordings have to be made and judging from what I've seen they aren't compliant in that regard, but it looks like they are getting specific permission and in that respect should be fine. Press 1 campaigns are speeding 100 MPH over the limit in a ferrari, the way the material was presented in the PHR guide it's more like going a little over the speed limit.
A company I've worked with before can do these and I'm going to suggest to an FMO I've worked with that he give them a try because of the poor results telemarketing companies have been getting for them. Certainly a different situation now.
My understanding is that as long as a live TM makes the initial calls you can do anything you want after the person agrees. If we had this information from the beginning we could have save a whole lot of pissing matches. To me and I'm sure Josh when someone says "Press 1 leads" they are talking about what has been used for 10 years or so to robocall people. Having a live TM call people and ask people to listen to a recording is similar but legally not even the same discussion.
One thing I did always like about the Press 1 lead was the consistency of the message, no wondering what your TM is saying.
One thing I did always like about the Press 1 lead was the consistency of the message, no wondering what your TM is saying.
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Could you set a dialer up to do press 1 leads? Of course using a telemarketer to get permission first.
That's a good question, I'll check and see.
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