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Am I the only one finding the humor in that sentence?
Rick
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Am I the only one finding the humor in that sentence?
Rick
lol at putting IQ results on forums. My IQ was recently tested at 3582324 so I have you beat.
I'm not exactly the biggest EFES fan; I was purposely lied to and misled by some people there, but you aren't really being honest either right now. First of all, there are OBVIOUSLY better contracts out that Equitas. The whole point of the EFES system is lower contracts to get subsidized leads. That's the whole system. As for better leads cheaper, well if you got them, share them. It's not taking anything away from you, and I'm sure your lead source would love the free publicity.
There's not really a way to prove what the average agents leads cost, and it's nobodies business to prove it to you. When I asked about the lead costs to my recruiter, it was spelled out pretty basically how the equation worked for lead costs. Not releasing you is pretty bullshit imo, but as far as lead costs etc? Do your own research. You should know before you sign a contract all the details like that.
This thread really got hijacked. It started off pretty well though...
I'm not exactly the biggest EFES fan; I was purposely lied to and misled by some people there, but you aren't really being honest either right now. First of all, there are OBVIOUSLY better contracts out that Equitas. The whole point of the EFES system is lower contracts to get subsidized leads. That's the whole system. As for better leads cheaper, well if you got them, share them. It's not taking anything away from you, and I'm sure your lead source would love the free publicity.
There's not really a way to prove what the average agents leads cost, and it's nobodies business to prove it to you. When I asked about the lead costs to my recruiter, it was spelled out pretty basically how the equation worked for lead costs. Not releasing you is pretty bullshit imo, but as far as lead costs etc? Do your own research. You should know before you sign a contract all the details like that.
This thread really got hijacked. It started off pretty well though...
SwiftnBold
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Youre right.... i totally agree with you. HAha iq is pretty cliche, i know. It is the truth tho. But its like i cant be the only one to see right through this guy right?
Youre absolutely right about it all - I signed it, didnt ask enough questions. I guess just believed JDeasy and all the forum guys that efes was the way to go, and CLEARLY it was not. Shame on me for being trusting and naive. Wont happen again. That is my fault.
****, write a ton of business for me and ill subsidize your leads down to $11. AND i will set you up with a guarenteed amount of qualified apts - no phone calls required.
My point is, if it is impossible to say what the avg lead is how can you say what the avg lead is? and then act like youre a dealing only with the facts kinda guy?
I dont know, way out numbered to be getting into this sort of thing
Youre absolutely right about it all - I signed it, didnt ask enough questions. I guess just believed JDeasy and all the forum guys that efes was the way to go, and CLEARLY it was not. Shame on me for being trusting and naive. Wont happen again. That is my fault.
****, write a ton of business for me and ill subsidize your leads down to $11. AND i will set you up with a guarenteed amount of qualified apts - no phone calls required.
My point is, if it is impossible to say what the avg lead is how can you say what the avg lead is? and then act like youre a dealing only with the facts kinda guy?
I dont know, way out numbered to be getting into this sort of thing
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You just can't tell the truth. Everyone that posts here regularly knows that I have said time and time again that EFES is not for everyone. It is never for the part time FE agent.
I don't want everyone with a license togo to EFES and run up the costs for the rest of us. You are a good case in point for that. EFES was not for you. You should never have signed with EFES and they should release you just to be rid of you.
Nor is it news that different managers start people at different contract levels and different initial lead costs. You should have checked on that more carefully before signing on.
You obviously do not understand the PPL. An agent pays whatever his level is on the scale for his leads. It doesn't change based on which writing number he uses. By not putting business on the wholesale number it would raise the lead costs over time, but not on a single buy basis. That is simple math. More business lowers the lead cost, less business raises it. I can see how someone with such a low IQ could miss that basic concept.
As far as proving the average is $19. I wouldn't know how to do that. I asked Ryan what the average is and he told me it is $19. I have no reason to doubt that. The only reason you doubt it is to give you something to cry about.
It is no one's fault but your's that you can't make thjis business work. I have also always said that EFES will not work harder on your business than you will. You see to expect them to do that, but the real world just doesn't work like that.
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There is nothing to see through with me. You are pretty transparent, though.
You are also just lying now to say you believed me. If you and I ever had a conversation about EFES I did not tell you any of the stuff you claim. Nor can you find where I said any of that on the forum.
There is no one here on the forum or in private messages that will say I ever sugarcoated anything about working with EFES. You want to claim different? If so, I'm calling your bluff. You have my permission to post any private mesage that you have from me and I would challenge you find any post her at the forum to back up your claims.
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Little late to the dance, are we? If you want to get in on the EFES bashing you could at least keep up.
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SwiftnBold
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JDeasy you just cant kill him. haha oh well just keep diggin my man.
You just can't tell the truth. Everyone that posts here regularly knows that I have said time and time again that EFES is not for everyone. It is never for the part time FE agent.
OH, so its for every full time fe agent then? Youre really narrowing it down there. Off to a good start - making yourself look retarded and we're only 1 sentence in.
I don't want everyone with a license togo to EFES and run up the costs for the rest of us. You are a good case in point for that. EFES was not for you. You should never have signed with EFES and they should release you just to be rid of you.
I agree. Im probably not good for business right now. Efes wasnt for me because i wanted higher commissions and could do better on leads. I must be alone right?
Nor is it news that different managers start people at different contract levels and different initial lead costs. You should have checked on that more carefully before signing on.
Note to anyone who is wondering: make sure you dont let whatever manager you get at efes screw you over on lead costs and comissions --- thats 2 in a row, very good. Must have missed that one between 1000 boner written posts by yourself.
You obviously do not understand the PPL. An agent pays whatever his level is on the scale for his leads. It doesn't change based on which writing number he uses. By not putting business on the wholesale number it would raise the lead costs over time, but not on a single buy basis. That is simple math. More business lowers the lead cost, less business raises it. I can see how someone with such a low IQ could miss that basic concept.
JD is slippin off his game. Must be past your bedtime. Tell granny to get off the couch so you can roll in, got an early morning of insurance forum bashing tomorrow. If you want to write with a half way decent commission level you have to use your wholesale writting number - that is a fact. If you dont, what happens? Your PPL goes up. Oh i get it, you mean that if you want to write with a low commission, then you can pay less for leads. Why is that efes reeeaaaly wants you try write business on the PPL program. I guess they just like giving away leads huh? They really are a bunch of mother theresas over there, those efes guys.
As far as proving the average is $19. I wouldn't know how to do that. I asked Ryan what the average is and he told me it is $19. I have no reason to doubt that. The only reason you doubt it is to give you something to cry about.
You know what man, Ill take your word at face value on this one. I believe that. No, I just wanted to hear you say that you didnt really know what the avg was. Makes me wonder what other kind of stuff efes is telling you, and youre just regurgitating on here.
It is no one's fault but your's that you can't make thjis business work. I have also always said that EFES will not work harder on your business than you will. You see to expect them to do that, but the real world just doesn't work like that.
Hmm that sounds kindve like an assumption, and coming from a facts only kinda guy. Once again your words are not congruent with the way you really are. Let me tell ya, they work pretty hard trying to get me to buy some leads from them. Thanks dad, thanks for helping me with that reality. Now help people learn the truth and quite being such a schmoe on here.
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There is nothing to see through with me. You are pretty transparent, though.
You are also just lying now to say you believed me. If you and I ever had a conversation about EFES I did not tell you any of the stuff you claim. Nor can you find where I said any of that on the forum.
Call me a liar, deny it. Typical, you cant do any better than that? You really are getting tired. I believed you, every newbie on here believed you and the 100 other efes parakeets. who do you really think searched ur 9million posts about you hangin off of efes jockstrap to really see 1 in there where you "shot it straight" Youre lame.
There is no one here on the forum or in private messages that will say I ever sugarcoated anything about working with EFES. You want to claim different? If so, I'm calling your bluff. You have my permission to post any private mesage that you have from me and I would challenge you find any post her at the forum to back up your claims.
Look at the number of my posts dude. I hit 20 yesterday. Nice try tho bud. Go to bed
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Little late to the dance, are we? If you want to get in on the EFES bashing you could at least keep up.
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I don't have to continue this argument with you. You made my arguments for me with this nonsense.
It's obvious that you didn't do due diligence before signing up with EFES. You got on here and read posts that you thought said something different and instead of contacing me to see if you were correct you just jumped into something you knew nothing about.
After reading the above I actually feel sorry for you.
This is the second thread I have looked at this morning that seems to have turned into a bash JD thread. I have to admit some of the accusations are puzzling.
JD accused of being biased for EFES?
Anybody that has spent more than a half a day reading forum posts would know that. But most of us are biased in favor of the companies we represent. JD promotes EFES; Greg promotes SR. Life. (and they bash each other's choice). I promote Settlers as a great company. So what?
Took JD's advice to join EFES? JD has always said EFES is never a good fit for the part time FE agent and is not many full time agents.
EFES won't give a release? Anyone that had done even a little due diligence on the forum would have known that in advance. That has been the subject of various posts since I have been here. Reardon mentioned it several times in his posts after he left EFES for Securus but he accepted that is the way it is and moved on.
Commissions vary depending on your choice of upline? That shouldn't be a shock.. JD has always said that. He has always said that lead costs vary based on production and that he did not know the exact details of start up costs now.. only when he started.
JD accused of being biased for EFES?
Anybody that has spent more than a half a day reading forum posts would know that. But most of us are biased in favor of the companies we represent. JD promotes EFES; Greg promotes SR. Life. (and they bash each other's choice). I promote Settlers as a great company. So what?Took JD's advice to join EFES? JD has always said EFES is never a good fit for the part time FE agent and is not many full time agents.
EFES won't give a release? Anyone that had done even a little due diligence on the forum would have known that in advance. That has been the subject of various posts since I have been here. Reardon mentioned it several times in his posts after he left EFES for Securus but he accepted that is the way it is and moved on.
Commissions vary depending on your choice of upline? That shouldn't be a shock.. JD has always said that. He has always said that lead costs vary based on production and that he did not know the exact details of start up costs now.. only when he started.
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