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Just to show how stupid some people are, one district here in California elected a DEAD WOMAN to the state senate.
KTAR.com - California election won by dead woman
I know there was some disception by the Dem's, but 58% of them voted for her?
Republicans Take Over House, Now What?
- Thread starter JE INSURANCE
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Just to show how stupid some people are, one district here in California elected a DEAD WOMAN to the state senate.
KTAR.com - California election won by dead woman
I know there was some disception by the Dem's, but 58% of them voted for her?
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Republicans will mangle Obamacare through the purse strings.
I dont see a single post here talking about hopes or plans for republicans to implement a plan to reduce premiums, increase coverage, and control costs other than to make obamacare all go away. Therein lies the danger and the future. It will be sweet for a while watching Obamacare take a beating but come 2012 we will be facing Hillary.
The republicans completely blew round one. They focused totally on watching Olympia Snowe and demonizing her for speaking with Obama and she eventually voted against Obamacare. Otherwise they had no plan and the public saw that. Next the idiots let Obama and Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi draw them into the lobster trap so that they could use reconciliation. Probably the dumbest frigging move I have seen the republicans make in my lifetime but they just walked right into it as though they had a plan and a brain to go with it. They did this, by the way, at a time when Obamacare could not muster the votes and was completely dead in the water, but their zeal to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory was unstoppable. Tis the nature of being an *** I guess.
Having said that, this weeks circumstances create new opportunities to not be stupid. Savor the idea of butchering Obamacare because it needs to be butchered but keep in mind that the public hates republicans with a passion- they just hated them a little less than democrats this week. Come next election if there is not a credible health reform plan on the table it is republicans who will be rightfully blamed. Quite a few people here are on the "lets just make it all go away so our commissions will be back to where they were" model. Fine, but Congress has a greater responsibility.
I am not going to go through it all again, but yes, I do have a plan beyond just saying get a plan and bitching about the pubs. Briefly, I support a modified Washington State quasi-guaranteed issue, with state subsidy where the market does not work model and with a state pool in the background. Yeh, I know the problems but I also know the opportunities that go with it. My view is that the pubs need a plan however imperfect to fend off single payer. The republicans in Congress don't believe that- so far anyway- and neither do most of the "lets make it all go away" folks here. But that is my view. Repubs have another chance. It is a chance to get it right or to be stupid all over again. We shall see.
GET A PLAN - OPPOSING OBAMACARE IS NOT A PLAN. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ONE, HILLARY DOES. YOU DON'T LIKE MY PLAN? FINE, WHAT'S YOURS OTHER THAN MAKING IT ALL GO AWAY?
I dont see a single post here talking about hopes or plans for republicans to implement a plan to reduce premiums, increase coverage, and control costs other than to make obamacare all go away. Therein lies the danger and the future. It will be sweet for a while watching Obamacare take a beating but come 2012 we will be facing Hillary.
The republicans completely blew round one. They focused totally on watching Olympia Snowe and demonizing her for speaking with Obama and she eventually voted against Obamacare. Otherwise they had no plan and the public saw that. Next the idiots let Obama and Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi draw them into the lobster trap so that they could use reconciliation. Probably the dumbest frigging move I have seen the republicans make in my lifetime but they just walked right into it as though they had a plan and a brain to go with it. They did this, by the way, at a time when Obamacare could not muster the votes and was completely dead in the water, but their zeal to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory was unstoppable. Tis the nature of being an *** I guess.
Having said that, this weeks circumstances create new opportunities to not be stupid. Savor the idea of butchering Obamacare because it needs to be butchered but keep in mind that the public hates republicans with a passion- they just hated them a little less than democrats this week. Come next election if there is not a credible health reform plan on the table it is republicans who will be rightfully blamed. Quite a few people here are on the "lets just make it all go away so our commissions will be back to where they were" model. Fine, but Congress has a greater responsibility.
I am not going to go through it all again, but yes, I do have a plan beyond just saying get a plan and bitching about the pubs. Briefly, I support a modified Washington State quasi-guaranteed issue, with state subsidy where the market does not work model and with a state pool in the background. Yeh, I know the problems but I also know the opportunities that go with it. My view is that the pubs need a plan however imperfect to fend off single payer. The republicans in Congress don't believe that- so far anyway- and neither do most of the "lets make it all go away" folks here. But that is my view. Repubs have another chance. It is a chance to get it right or to be stupid all over again. We shall see.
GET A PLAN - OPPOSING OBAMACARE IS NOT A PLAN. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ONE, HILLARY DOES. YOU DON'T LIKE MY PLAN? FINE, WHAT'S YOURS OTHER THAN MAKING IT ALL GO AWAY?
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Good overview article from Bloomberg
Includes this paragraph:
House and Senate Republicans already have written at least 30 bills to roll back provisions in the law. The success of some efforts would mean WellPoint Inc. and competing health insurers may escape regulations to set their patient-care spending, while Boston Scientific Corp. and other medical-device makers dodge $20 billion in tax increases in the next decade.
Why didn't I know about that?
Does that mean what I think it means?
Includes this paragraph:
House and Senate Republicans already have written at least 30 bills to roll back provisions in the law. The success of some efforts would mean WellPoint Inc. and competing health insurers may escape regulations to set their patient-care spending, while Boston Scientific Corp. and other medical-device makers dodge $20 billion in tax increases in the next decade.
Why didn't I know about that?
Does that mean what I think it means?
Winter-
I respectfully disagree with your premise-that republicans need a plan. They did just fine on Tuesday without a plan, and merely opposing Obamacare. They'll do fine in 2012 with the same strategy. Here is what you are missing- First, crafting meaningful HCR is an impossibility in Washington. Second, niether party give's a rat's ass about the wellbeing of the people. They want to get elected/stay in power etc.
Agents, including myself, had no idea how much Obamcare was going to hurt/kill our business. With yesterday's election, I am cautiously optimistic... I realize that,while I will not make the commissions I made in the past, and my business model will change, I am optimistic that I will still have a viable practice in the future. I hate to say this but GO TEA BAGGERS GO!!!!
I respectfully disagree with your premise-that republicans need a plan. They did just fine on Tuesday without a plan, and merely opposing Obamacare. They'll do fine in 2012 with the same strategy. Here is what you are missing- First, crafting meaningful HCR is an impossibility in Washington. Second, niether party give's a rat's ass about the wellbeing of the people. They want to get elected/stay in power etc.
Agents, including myself, had no idea how much Obamcare was going to hurt/kill our business. With yesterday's election, I am cautiously optimistic... I realize that,while I will not make the commissions I made in the past, and my business model will change, I am optimistic that I will still have a viable practice in the future. I hate to say this but GO TEA BAGGERS GO!!!!
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You are correct if you only think in a six month horizon.
First of all, the Republicans already got us in deep doo-doo by not having a plan. That is what got Obamacare passed in the first place is the publics correct assumption that in the end the pubs would just say no. That didnt work out very well did it. Now we are trying to unscramble the egg.
Second, you assume that the goal is to just get elected even if there is no plan and then everything will go away. It will not. There are real problems before the country. Wars, health reform, national debt etc. You could tell me that Obama could still get elected even with a bunch of hype and an unworkable plan in a number of areas and, again if you only think in 6 month horizons, I can agree that it might work out. Longer term though the public watches what works and what does not and it catches up with whomever was elected. As Obama is finding out. Just as doing nothing will catch up with the Republicans, again, if they do not have a plan.
Third, Obamacare may not be the answer but the factors driving the interst in it are real and are not going away. Premiums and costs are going through the roof. You can argue that Obamacare is not the answer and that is valid. To just join the "let's make it all go away" crowd is fatal for the republicans and for any meaningful solution to the problem. Most people here disagree with that. We will just mangle Obamacare and everything will go back to the good old days. They won't. You either come up with a viable alternative to single payer or you are looking right down the barrel at Hillary Clinton all over again.
People were willing to turn against Obamacare because their premiums are still exploding. Telling people that the republicans dont need a plan to fix that because they can still get elected anyway is not a road I would go down. I do think many would and will though and it will feed right into the next screwball plan the dems have just like it did the first time around.
Maybe the repubs don't need an alternative economic plan either under the theory that the goal is for them to just get elected and observe what Obama is doing and disagree with it. Don't forget it has only been a couple years since those bums were thrown out too. Don't get giddy and think the public is suddenly in love with Republicans. They are not. They hate most of them but a little less than democrats- this week. Next year is another matter.
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Well, now we will see how much the Republicans can f**k up the country.
a potential solution seems so clear to me-let everyone purchase a guaranteed issue high deductible HSA type plan ($10K family deductible, $5K individual) at a reasonable price that includes preventive care and then allow a wide range of supplemental plans on the market for office visit copays, prescription drugs, ER visits, accidental, critical illness, etc. Low income families get some form of subsidy but it would be peanuts compared to the subsidies in the current piece of crap. Insurance companies would love it since they would have huge numbers of subscribers, agents would love it, and the public, once they figured out how to manage their own spending for a change, would eventually like it as well. What do the rest of you think?
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Yes but Winter also states that it will only get you so far without a plan hence why Obama and crew are getting their butt kicked.
