Silver script $63 a month in 2024 with $525 deductible. Best silver script $116 a month

  • If it's true (I think it is) that MA is growing in popularity / market share
  • And if it's true (my conspiracy theory hat is now on --) that medigap @ t65 + pdp is often a "funnel" for MAPD -- forced by premium increases on both med supp and pdp (or inferior pdp coverage)
  • Then, eventually, these "elite" doctors will have fewer "Medicare + Medigap" clients to prescribe their pills to. They'll eventually either accept MA or they'll stop "treating" seniors.
That'll take a while but -- check in with this thread in 2043 and we'll know if I was correct.

Are you channeling Don now? All that's needed is to add "the freight train is coming"

What is magical about 2043?

FWIW, most of us who are exclusively/primarily Medigap agents have clients with few debts, home is often paid off, they have savings, maybe a 401(k) or other retirement plan and many deferred SSA benefit until 70.

A number also pay IRMAA.

They willingly pay (prepay if you will) a premium which affords them virtually unfettered access to care and rarely hit the pre-authorization barrier. It's also easier to budget for a serious change in their health and possibly enjoy better care because they are not prohibited from obtaining care from some of the top hospitals in the country.

Just because 48% of the Medicare population has MAPD does not mean they are satisfied and wouldn't change to OM + Medigap if given the opportunity. I get a number of calls each year just like @Yagents from folks who would love to have a Medigap plan. I can accommodate maybe 5% of those that call and have to turn away the rest.

Even if I wrote MAPD that's not what they want. Rather, they want to get as far away from managed care as they can.

Agents talk about saving $X in premiums for their clients but completely ignore the outlay for health care when the client needs something other than routine care. When the T65 prospect calls me and asks why they should consider a Medigap plan when they can get what their friends have with $0 premium, I ask them these questions.

Are all of your friends in good health? Have any of them ever used their plan for a serious medical condition? If so, do they still like their plan?

That usually stops them in their tracks when they recall a friend or relative had an MAPD plan and it was a PITA to navigate plus very expensive.

The party is a lot of fun until the guests leave and someone has to pick up the beer bottles and wine glasses before going to bed.

Actually, I enjoy being part of the "elite" crowd for the first time in my life and it isn't bad at all.
 
Are you channeling Don now? All that's needed is to add "the freight train is coming"

What is magical about 2043?

FWIW, most of us who are exclusively/primarily Medigap agents have clients with few debts, home is often paid off, they have savings, maybe a 401(k) or other retirement plan and many deferred SSA benefit until 70.

A number also pay IRMAA.

They willingly pay (prepay if you will) a premium which affords them virtually unfettered access to care and rarely hit the pre-authorization barrier. It's also easier to budget for a serious change in their health and possibly enjoy better care because they are not prohibited from obtaining care from some of the top hospitals in the country.

Just because 48% of the Medicare population has MAPD does not mean they are satisfied and wouldn't change to OM + Medigap if given the opportunity. I get a number of calls each year just like @Yagents from folks who would love to have a Medigap plan. I can accommodate maybe 5% of those that call and have to turn away the rest.

Even if I wrote MAPD that's not what they want. Rather, they want to get as far away from managed care as they can.

Agents talk about saving $X in premiums for their clients but completely ignore the outlay for health care when the client needs something other than routine care. When the T65 prospect calls me and asks why they should consider a Medigap plan when they can get what their friends have with $0 premium, I ask them these questions.

Are all of your friends in good health? Have any of them ever used their plan for a serious medical condition? If so, do they still like their plan?

That usually stops them in their tracks when they recall a friend or relative had an MAPD plan and it was a PITA to navigate plus very expensive.

The party is a lot of fun until the guests leave and someone has to pick up the beer bottles and wine glasses before going to bed.

Actually, I enjoy being part of the "elite" crowd for the first time in my life and it isn't bad at all.

Not sure I'm channeling my inner Don though I do think the market is moving more and more towards MA.

My general disliking of doctors also makes me care a little less about issues like PA vs no PA -- in fact, I see PA as good and I think doctors do need people looking over their shoulders.

I sold a MA plan this morning, and I'm going to sell a med supp at 1pm in about 3 minutes. I certainly don't think my MA client base is unhappy -- I rarely hear complaints. I hear more complaints from my med supp + pdp clients.
 
Not sure I'm channeling my inner Don though I do think the market is moving more and more towards MA.

My general disliking of doctors also makes me care a little less about issues like PA vs no PA -- in fact, I see PA as good and I think doctors do need people looking over their shoulders.

I sold a MA plan this morning, and I'm going to sell a med supp at 1pm in about 3 minutes. I certainly don't think my MA client base is unhappy -- I rarely hear complaints. I hear more complaints from my med supp + pdp clients.


Csg posts the earnings of all Medicare CO’s quarterly. I read every qtr . They show a numerical page going back 10 yrs breaking it down 4 qtrs for each yr . The trend is eye popping . “ The freight train be a chugging “
 
I do think the market is moving more and more towards MA.

No doubt it is gravitating towards the glitter and the idea of getting "something for nothing". Moving toward a shiny object does not necessarily mean a lack of buyers remorse.

One recent study showed 30% of duals move at least once per year. That market appears to be very fickle and appeals to folks who order from the dollar menu.

The same study said there is 15% turnover in the non-subsidized market vs 12% in prior years.

The churn rate can mean a lot of things and doesn't necessarily mean the crowd is leaving the MAPD market for OM. It also doesn't mean they are leaving the carrier or writing agent (assuming the WA is still in the business).

You and others say you have few complaints, I say the same about my clients. Perhaps that says that both of us are doing what is right for our client. At least that is the way I interpret it.

Numerous studies point to dissatisfaction among MAPD policyholders who actually USE their plan for anything other than routine care. I view most of those as credible and it matches my own experience in dealing with managed care directly for over 30 years plus fielding calls from folks who will do almost anything to get away from their plan. The latter only covers time since 2010 when I entered the Medicare market, but I hear a lot more complaints than I did when I was active in the group and U65 health insurance market.

Of course folks 65+ have more health issues than those who are 25 - 65 so it stands to reason there would be more dissatisfaction. I do believe there would be more complaints from the 65+ crowd if they realized they had a choice when they turned 65. There are a number of people who say no one told them about OM + Medigap . . . the only thing discussed was MAPD and how it is "just like what they have had for years".

Which is a big lie . . .

Consumer forums that field comments from Medigap policyholders reveal that almost all the complaints are about premium rate increases. Some of that is because they bought the lowest premium plan they could find and assumed they would always pay the lowest premium in the market.

What I have found is the ones who complain the loudest about rate increases are the ones that have enjoyed good health. I never hear a peep from those that have battled serious health conditions. In fact, many of them thank me for showing them a plan that covers everything just as promised and no hassles.

A lot of folks loved the Edsel when it first came on the market but how many are on the road now? Over 3 years 111,000 Edsel's were produced and fewer than 6,000 still exist. More telling is that 68 ,000 were sold in 1958 (first year available) followed by 47,000 in 1959 and the rest in 1960.

Some say the Edsel was ahead of its' time while others say it was a flashy car that was not well built and had a number of mechanical problems.

The marketplace is littered with items that were once "hot" but then faded as time goes on. I don't think the MAPD market will survive as currently structured and will almost surely start to fade when CMS cuts back on funding and promotion.

Also,“ Medicare spent $321 more per person for [MA] enrollees than it would have spent for the same beneficiaries had they been covered under traditional Medicare in 2019,” according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. Meanwhile, in 2019, health insurers’ profits exceeded $35 billion, with the growth and rising profits significantly attributed to MA.4 MA does not save taxpayers, and our government, money.

At some point CMS will curtail funding and look for another way to shift health care costs to the consumer and away from the for profit companies. Nothing lasts forever . . .
 
This morning, Mr. B H [T65] walked into my office 8:30
- MAPD - Rx Estimate = $312 [Premium + Copays]
- PDP - Rx Estimate = $1,025 [Premium + Copays]

My 10:00am phone call - Plan G is only thing he wants to consider. I had prepped MAPD info since he initially wanted to look at both. So, we'll do that - G + PDP. BUT, just for fun:
- MAPD - Rx Estimate = $380 [Premium + Copays]
- PDP - Rx Estimate = $946 [Premium + Copays]

Also this morning, Ms G G [Also T65] walked in at 11:30
- MAPD - Rx Estimate = $0 [Premium + Copays]
- PDP - Rx Estimate = $776 [Premium + Copays] [[Plus, she will need to change her pharmacy -- this $776 reflects her going to CVS as preferred in-network rather than her actual perferred pharmacy]]

It's just data. And it's just one day's data.
 
This morning, Mr. B H [T65] walked into my office 8:30
- MAPD - Rx Estimate = $312 [Premium + Copays]
- PDP - Rx Estimate = $1,025 [Premium + Copays]

My 10:00am phone call - Plan G is only thing he wants to consider. I had prepped MAPD info since he initially wanted to look at both. So, we'll do that - G + PDP. BUT, just for fun:
- MAPD - Rx Estimate = $380 [Premium + Copays]
- PDP - Rx Estimate = $946 [Premium + Copays]

Also this morning, Ms G G [Also T65] walked in at 11:30
- MAPD - Rx Estimate = $0 [Premium + Copays]
- PDP - Rx Estimate = $776 [Premium + Copays] [[Plus, she will need to change her pharmacy -- this $776 reflects her going to CVS as preferred in-network rather than her actual perferred pharmacy]]

It's just data. And it's just one day's data.
Walked into your office ? Off the street, off lead appt , referral appointment?
 
Walked into your office ? Off the street, off lead appt , referral appointment?

1st one called me yesterday [1st contact], set the appointment for this morning. He turned 65 in April (!) and wanted an advantage plan - he had gotten one of my letters. Signed him up.

the 11:30 - I never spoke with her once until today when she walked in. She used my Calendly link on my website and set the appointment after visiting my website from one of my letters. She'll T65 in October. Didn't do her MAPD app today because she hasn't enrolled in A&B yet - but it'll be a sale.

She came in and the scope had already been completed (Calendly -> Jotform) and her Rx list had already been filled using my HIPAA-compliant Rx intake form.

I never spoke with her. Love it when that happens. She filled everything out and set up the meeting.
 
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This morning, Mr. B H [T65] walked into my office 8:30
- MAPD - Rx Estimate = $312 [Premium + Copays]
- PDP - Rx Estimate = $1,025 [Premium + Copays]

My 10:00am phone call - Plan G is only thing he wants to consider. I had prepped MAPD info since he initially wanted to look at both. So, we'll do that - G + PDP. BUT, just for fun:
- MAPD - Rx Estimate = $380 [Premium + Copays]
- PDP - Rx Estimate = $946 [Premium + Copays]

Also this morning, Ms G G [Also T65] walked in at 11:30
- MAPD - Rx Estimate = $0 [Premium + Copays]
- PDP - Rx Estimate = $776 [Premium + Copays] [[Plus, she will need to change her pharmacy -- this $776 reflects her going to CVS as preferred in-network rather than her actual perferred pharmacy]]

It's just data. And it's just one day's data.

My 2:00pm call:

- MAPD - Rx Estimate = $775 [Premium + Copays]
- PDP - Rx Estimate = $2176 [Premium + Copays]

I can keep this thread going for a while... but it's just data from one day.
 
This morning I mowed the grass in my yard for 2-3 hours and burned some tree branches that had fallen. I can afford to do that and not bust ass every day because of MAPD and PDP renewals(75% of income) and 25% on med-supps. Most people I deal with buy MAPD's.
 
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