I'm not seeing this the way you guys are. It doesn't appear to me to have been Brad's decision at all. It's the agent's decision isn't it? If all the managers involved freely release agents then it comes down to the agent deciding where he wants to go. Not the managers and not the up line.
Now if the upline (in this case Brad) transfered the agent without Ben signing off on a release first, then I agree that Brad WAY overstepped a boundary. BUT if Ben has always stated that he will release agents and the agent clearly wanted to go elsewhere then Ben did need to release him. Regardless of whether he wanted to go to another agency within 360 or outside. I don't see where that makes any difference. It's ultimately the agent's decision.
I don't see how those type of situations could be avoided at agencies with that setup of various managers actively recruiting under the same general brand. Matt is out there actively pitching his hooks (the squad team, his own success in the field, etc.) to the masses. That's how he attracts agents. Some are going to get hooked that are already under the same organization under a different manager. I don't see how those situations wouldn't come up every once in a while.
It's no different than Ben having a lot of buzz right now at EFES. He's the new guy with new ideas for them. Is it impossible to think that one of Joe Chiacco's guys or Josh's guys isn't thinking "Hey I wish I was under this Boman guy or Springbok."
There are always going to be guys that get caught up in the recruiting pitches. Or maybe they just aren't perfectly a match for the guy they are under for what ever reason. Even me Newby (the most beloved forum member of all time) has people that I just don't gel with. We all do.
So the only crime that I see that Matt did was attract an agent that was already within the organization. He should discourage the agent as a courtesy to Ben if they were friends. But it's ultimately the agent's decision.
When an agency has those different channels I would think that stuff comes up every once in a while.
Don't fall out of your chair Scott as I know I'm not always giving you an AMEN but your comments were spot on. I had no idea this thread had devolved into what it has and saw my name being thrown around so I thought I'd chime in.
From the beginning every single thing I setup has been from the agents perspective, do different than what FEX does. Hell come to think of it I do find it beyond ironic that the flavor of the day on here is EFES here and EFES that and in fact EFES even existing back in 08'-09' is pretty much the sole reason I started 360 and out of that FEX was born as well. The reason? At that time there was not a single agent focussed group in the county that had fair contracts, fixed price leads, training and open releases. At that time the only box EFES could check would have been fixed price leads so there was a huge gap there. Up until Ben went there they were in my view a sinking ship until that day. That is not a knock on Eric as I think he's a good dude, but just the overall structure was clearly not getting any traction in the market. Will that change now, time will tell.
Back to all the rest of this stuff about who did what and to whom. As it pertains to me, my focus is what's best for the agent and I tried not to get in the middle of squabbles. It was hard as for a time there was a lot of squabbling and 90% of the agents were moving in one direction so it caused some friction. It's unfortunate to say the least that it came to that but it for sure did. The bottom line is that when an agent's needs are being met they don't leave if they've been around the business for awhile. I don't think the same can be true for those that are still green as they will move for some of the dumbest reasons purely because they don't know any better or because their problem is the person in the mirror, not their upline.
Happy to answer anyone's questions as that's the one great thing about this forum in that stuff does tend to get aired out over time and that's a good thing.