Wow Ben Bowman Was Going to Leave 360 and Go to Efes?

[Newby]

I'm not seeing this the way you guys are. It doesn't appear to me to have been Brad's decision at all. It's the agent's decision isn't it? If all the managers involved freely release agents then it comes down to the agent deciding where he wants to go. Not the managers and not the up line.

Now if the upline (in this case Brad) transfered the agent without Ben signing off on a release first, then I agree that Brad WAY overstepped a boundary. BUT if Ben has always stated that he will release agents and the agent clearly wanted to go elsewhere then Ben did need to release him. Regardless of whether he wanted to go to another agency within 360 or outside. I don't see where that makes any difference. It's ultimately the agent's decision.

I don't see how those type of situations could be avoided at agencies with that setup of various managers actively recruiting under the same general brand. Matt is out there actively pitching his hooks (the squad team, his own success in the field, etc.) to the masses. That's how he attracts agents. Some are going to get hooked that are already under the same organization under a different manager. I don't see how those situations wouldn't come up every once in a while.

It's no different than Ben having a lot of buzz right now at EFES. He's the new guy with new ideas for them. Is it impossible to think that one of Joe Chiacco's guys or Josh's guys isn't thinking "Hey I wish I was under this Boman guy or Springbok."

There are always going to be guys that get caught up in the recruiting pitches. Or maybe they just aren't perfectly a match for the guy they are under for what ever reason. Even me Newby (the most beloved forum member of all time) has people that I just don't gel with. We all do.

So the only crime that I see that Matt did was attract an agent that was already within the organization. He should discourage the agent as a courtesy to Ben if they were friends. But it's ultimately the agent's decision.

When an agency has those different channels I would think that stuff comes up every once in a while.

 

[bboman23]

I'm not seeing this the way you guys are. It doesn't appear to me to have been Brad's decision at all. It's the agent's decision isn't it? If all the managers involved freely release agents then it comes down to the agent deciding where he wants to go. Not the managers and not the up line.

Now if the upline (in this case Brad) transfered the agent without Ben signing off on a release first, then I agree that Brad WAY overstepped a boundary. BUT if Ben has always stated that he will release agents and the agent clearly wanted to go elsewhere then Ben did need to release him. Regardless of whether he wanted to go to another agency within 360 or outside. I don't see where that makes any difference. It's ultimately the agent's decision.

I don't see how those type of situations could be avoided at agencies with that setup of various managers actively recruiting under the same general brand. Matt is out there actively pitching his hooks (the squad team, his own success in the field, etc.) to the masses. That's how he attracts agents. Some are going to get hooked that are already under the same organization under a different manager. I don't see how those situations wouldn't come up every once in a while.

It's no different than Ben having a lot of buzz right now at EFES. He's the new guy with new ideas for them. Is it impossible to think that one of Joe Chiacco's guys or Josh's guys isn't thinking "Hey I wish I was under this Boman guy or Springbok."

There are always going to be guys that get caught up in the recruiting pitches. Or maybe they just aren't perfectly a match for the guy they are under for what ever reason. Even me Newby (the most beloved forum member of all time) has people that I just don't gel with. We all do.

So the only crime that I see that Matt did was attract an agent that was already within the organization. He should discourage the agent as a courtesy to Ben if they were friends. But it's ultimately the agent's decision.

When an agency has those different channels I would think that stuff comes up every once in a while.

It was made very clear that the inner switching around could not happen. Then we had a group chat with ALL of our agents in it. He came to blitzes of MINE and was able to meet/hang out with my agents. Then he did a training and I came with some of my people and I CATERED the event. Then one by one he used those connections to start reaching out to each and every one of them. These agents were not reaching out to him!

Easy solution would be, "Hey if we are going to allow this, we will allow it for agents from this day forward...not agents that we openly allowed you to get to know."

If any agent of mine wants to go to FEX or Todd or ANYONE, I will send them no questions asked. But we were all 360 and they all used my platform. All agents were on my training calls, my email blasts, the group chat, my blitzes, etc. and to this day I have not called A SINGLE ONE OF HIS AGENTS!!! Some of his people are leaving him and coming to me and I did not reach out to a single one.

In the end this is completely my fault. Me and him were tight and I would have done anything for him. I let my trust/friendship blind me in my business. I am a country boy from Mississippi...I didn't know people had evil in them the way this guy does. But I know now. He hit me first and it didn't hurt my income, it just hurt my feelings that he would stoop that low.

But my dad always taught me to just do the right thing and it would always work out. I stayed above it and it has been an amazing turn of events.

But I have come to realize after this came about that he has done this exact same thing at several other places. Be the nice guy that will help everyone, then use those friendships to pull em away!

 

[oldbutnew]

My phone is smart enough to know Alden should be spelled Allen. Don't you wish you had one that is that smart?

Still seems to me it could not happen without the IMO approving the transfers.

I don't know the details of what happened between Brad and Ben, but I was with 360 for over two years, and I will say that Brad is a good guy. He does what he says he'll do and he definitely worked with me on lead situations many times.

However, I found Ben on this forum several years ago, joined under him at 360 and went with him to EFES. I chose to do so because Ben also is a good guy, but more than that, he's a different animal. He is literally the hardest working guy I've ever met. He's a lot more than a nice guy who does what he says he'll do. He sees the big picture, he truly understands that what's good for the agent will ultimately benefit him as well. He is unbelievably reachable, he'll answer the phone at ten o'clock at night, on the weekends, anytime. I'd have made the move to EFES just to follow him, but when you combine the Boman factor with what EFES offers, it's very impressive. Now there's a combination of the professionalism of Chase Urich, who's very on top of things, and the down to earth attitude of Ben and his vision for the future, pretty powerful stuff. IT's great for an agent who just wants to sell and really great for an agent who wants to build a downline. I don't know of a better IMO, as far as contract levels, training, and duplicable systems in place to build an agency. (And, as a longtime reader of the forum, I'll pre-emptively add that no one asked me to post. Just adding my opinion to the mix. And yes, I am a producer.)

 

[rousemark]

It was made very clear that the inner switching around could not happen. Then we had a group chat with ALL of our agents in it. He came to blitzes of MINE and was able to meet/hang out with my agents. Then he did a training and I came with some of my people and I CATERED the event. Then one by one he used those connections to start reaching out to each and every one of them. These agents were not reaching out to him!

Easy solution would be, "Hey if we are going to allow this, we will allow it for agents from this day forward...not agents that we openly allowed you to get to know."

If any agent of mine wants to go to FEX or Todd or ANYONE, I will send them no questions asked. But we were all 360 and they all used my platform. All agents were on my training calls, my email blasts, the group chat, my blitzes, etc. and to this day I have not called A SINGLE ONE OF HIS AGENTS!!! Some of his people are leaving him and coming to me and I did not reach out to a single one.

In the end this is completely my fault. Me and him were tight and I would have done anything for him. I let my trust/friendship blind me in my business. I am a country boy from Mississippi...I didn't know people had evil in them the way this guy does. But I know now. He hit me first and it didn't hurt my income, it just hurt my feelings that he would stoop that low.

But my dad always taught me to just do the right thing and it would always work out. I stayed above it and it has been an amazing turn of events.

But I have come to realize after this came about that he has done this exact same thing at several other places. Be the nice guy that will help everyone, then use those friendships to pull em away!

The last guy to make this type of accusation against him ended up being banned so be careful.

 

[bboman23]

The last guy to make this type of accusation against him ended up being banned so be careful.

Oh I'm not making accusations. Just speaking the truth.

 

[Mattschmidt]

The last guy to make this type of accusation against him ended up being banned so be careful.

Believe the guy was banned for other reasons. Not for mentioning Spur City and his business practices

 

[WinoBlues]

I'm not seeing this the way you guys are. It doesn't appear to me to have been Brad's decision at all. It's the agent's decision isn't it? If all the managers involved freely release agents then it comes down to the agent deciding where he wants to go. Not the managers and not the up line.

Now if the upline (in this case Brad) transfered the agent without Ben signing off on a release first, then I agree that Brad WAY overstepped a boundary. BUT if Ben has always stated that he will release agents and the agent clearly wanted to go elsewhere then Ben did need to release him. Regardless of whether he wanted to go to another agency within 360 or outside. I don't see where that makes any difference. It's ultimately the agent's decision.

I don't see how those type of situations could be avoided at agencies with that setup of various managers actively recruiting under the same general brand. Matt is out there actively pitching his hooks (the squad team, his own success in the field, etc.) to the masses. That's how he attracts agents. Some are going to get hooked that are already under the same organization under a different manager. I don't see how those situations wouldn't come up every once in a while.

It's no different than Ben having a lot of buzz right now at EFES. He's the new guy with new ideas for them. Is it impossible to think that one of Joe Chiacco's guys or Josh's guys isn't thinking "Hey I wish I was under this Boman guy or Springbok."

There are always going to be guys that get caught up in the recruiting pitches. Or maybe they just aren't perfectly a match for the guy they are under for what ever reason. Even me Newby (the most beloved forum member of all time) has people that I just don't gel with. We all do.

So the only crime that I see that Matt did was attract an agent that was already within the organization. He should discourage the agent as a courtesy to Ben if they were friends. But it's ultimately the agent's decision.

When an agency has those different channels I would think that stuff comes up every once in a while.

Are all the FE guys captive or independent? They scream Independent but have to ask mother may I to change uplines for a contract or two?

 

[VolAgent]

Are all the FE guys captive or independent? They scream Independent but have to ask mother may I to change uplines for a contract or two?

Took the words right out of my mouth. I have no dog in this hunt, but it is pretty funny.

Everyone brags about releases and such, but then when someone actually wants one...

Yes, apparently it was another peer within the larger agency and I certainly wouldn't be happy about it either, but someone took you up on your position and decided to see if the grass is greener elsewhere.

I wish everyone well and I suspect there is a lot more to this story than what we've been told so far.

 

[bboman23]

Took the words right out of my mouth. I have no dog in this hunt, but it is pretty funny.

Everyone brags about releases and such, but then when someone actually wants one...

Yes, apparently it was another peer within the larger agency and I certainly wouldn't be happy about it either, but someone took you up on your position and decided to see if the grass is greener elsewhere.

I wish everyone well and I suspect there is a lot more to this story than what we've been told so far.

No problem with releases at all! But every agent I contract, I don't send their contact info out to FEX, Todd King, etc...

This was me helping another agency start building a team. I let them use the weekly calls, my training site, my face to face trainings, etc. He was let INSIDE of my agency because since we were one in the same, no reason for agents to want to release internally since we are working together.

Once he decided he had used enough of my stuff and was good on his own, there was no mention of it. No leaving the group chat. No stopping his agents from getting on my calls. NOTHING. It was simply him starting to reach out to each one of my agents personally to try to poach them over to him.

One agent only had SNL with me and moved that to him. Another agent left me to go to a 70% and free leads, then came back to me, then left me for him, then left him for Lincoln Heritage. I knew this agent was never going to settle down.

Those are the ONLY agents he was able to take out of my whole agency. It was not an agent wanting releases that mattered to me. It was someone that I had done NOTHING but HELP this whole time, decided to stab me in the back and try to poach people I introduced him to in person!!!!!!!!

What happened is WAY bigger than an agent asking for a release, since no good agents left me anyways.

What if I got an agent to call up FEX and get contracted only to try to use inside information to steal away their agents? Would you think that agent was a stand up guy? What about me for getting him to do it? <<<That is more of what it was instead of a release discussion.

He created fake friendships with me and Doug just so he could ATTEMPT to steal my agents away at a later date!

 

[VolAgent]

I was avoiding this thread and I probably should have stuck with that.

I'm pretty sure there is a lot more to this, there always is. Quite frankly, I really don't want to know either. It is like rubbernecking an accident scene. You want to see the carnage, but you really don't want the details of who got hurt and how bad.

So I just leave it with, it is amusing as can be, and it sounds like Ben has found a place he is happy.