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Except if your willing to commit fraud or cheat on your wife then I wonder what is said in the home to make the sale. Is that really the person you want to take advise from, I would re-think the source.

That is the real danger. Legally he is innocent until proven guilty. As to reputation, with many it has been destroyed and even being found legally innocent (which almost never happens as this is beyond not guilty) would not be enough to restore his reputation with some.
 
I come to this forum to get new insight on how to sell insurance. Many of the best threads come from those two guys. Much of the animosity towards them as of late is because of their stance on tele sales and door knocking.

It appears to me most of the successful tele sales agents are glued to the phone 40 hours a week. Most door knockers spend far more time in the field than I do. Who in their right mind would want to do that when they could work half the hours and make the same or more money?

just my opinion
 
That is the real danger. Legally he is innocent until proven guilty. As to reputation, with many it has been destroyed and even being found legally innocent (which almost never happens as this is beyond not guilty) would not be enough to restore his reputation with some.
I totally understand, but did the government really fabricate all this? I think not, in this type of case they don't press charges until they have some serious evidence. Did he know or not? Well does he not sign there taxes, does he not look at the bank account, does he not go shopping for food ever? If he didn't know he is incompetent if he did know then he is a fraudster. I am sure there is more too it.
 
I totally understand, but did the government really fabricate all this? I think not, in this type of case they don't press charges until they have some serious evidence. Did he know or not? Well does he not sign there taxes, does he not look at the bank account, does he not go shopping for food ever? If he didn't know he is incompetent if he did know then he is a fraudster. I am sure there is more too it.

I get where you are coming from. However, I am a firm believer in due process and innocent until proven guilty when it comes to the law. We have no idea what defense her attorney may present.

But yes, in the court of public opinion, I would say the consensus is he is guilty, at least those willing to speak up. And her attorney could get her off in that she did not intend to defraud, yet they still received the benefits. If so, they may have been legally found not guilty, but they would still be tarred and feathered in most people's minds.
 
That is the real danger. Legally he is innocent until proven guilty. As to reputation, with many it has been destroyed and even being found legally innocent (which almost never happens as this is beyond not guilty) would not be enough to restore his reputation with some.

My dad always said, "Son, you can't buy a good name, that one you have to earn on your own."
 
...Much of the animosity towards them as of late is because of their stance on tele sales and door knocking.

This, I think, misses the real point, in my opinion. I think the animosity some feel toward TT is due to what some have referred to as his "holier than thou" attitude that comes from his assertions that his way is the only way. For example, he doesn't cold door knock, and never has. You said yourself that you would rather hear from folks who have done that about which they are giving advice. If TT would restrict his commentary to what he knows, rather than beating up on people who are doing things he has never done, the attitude of animosity would be absent and everyone would instead be rallying around him and there would be more talk of forgiveness, support, due process. You reap what you sow, and in the case of TT, while he sown a lot of good advice, he has also planted a good amount of insult and injury along with it. A farmer who plants a field with just corn seed will yield a much more favorable crop than the farmer who sows his corn with ragweed.
 
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I have never met any of the parties involved but I will say this. Jd and Travis have always bent over backwards to answer questions on this forum. Most of those questions are not even from FEX guys. They are more than willing to dish out information when they stand to gain nothing.

Too many times people in this forum people volunteer information when they have no clue on what they are talking about. Me personally, I would rather receive information from somebody who has the numbers to back up and support the value of their opinion. JD and Travis have those numbers, period.

Wolf of Wall Street (Jordan Belfort) was also a great sales trainer and gave a lot of great advice. In fact there are tons of YouTube videos with him doing training seminars. Just because he is great at that doesn't Give him a clean slate. Anyone that Travis has trained have only spoke highly of his abilities, but his personal life is being exposed.

This isn't a fact but just a thought. If Travis Allowed his family to illegally be on welfare (I'm not buying he didn't know), did he take shortcuts in his own business? Churn business to make money? Replace policies that ethically shouldn't have been replaced? Did he take advantage of ignorant agents?

Sorry, it's just hard to trust a crook...

Regarding JD, he didn't do anything wrong, but the fact that he went into hiding just shows that he was more than just a fex agent. As much great advise as he offered, god forbid you challenged him or disagreed with him otherwise he would just have it out for you and turn into a child with the name calling. And it was much more deeper than telesales and door knocking. It was how many leads you should order, what imo you should be with, certificate vs fraternals, what company to write in certain situations, recruting, and the list goes on. He is a bully, and I'm sure he is feeling a little embarrassed right now...
 
I come to this forum to get new insight on how to sell insurance. Many of the best threads come from those two guys. Much of the animosity towards them as of late is because of their stance on tele sales and door knocking.

It appears to me most of the successful tele sales agents are glued to the phone 40 hours a week. Most door knockers spend far more time in the field than I do. Who in their right mind would want to do that when they could work half the hours and make the same or more money?

just my opinion

You need to talk more about your approach... Two field days and all those toys and trips. I know you set appointments, do you run a certain type of presentation?
 
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