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[Northeast Agent]

shonceman said:

The study cited even has a paragraph acknowledging this: "Processed meats, including sausage, pepperoni, bacon, ham, smoked turkey, and hot dogs, often contain nitrates and nitrites, which have been tied to cancer."

Best bacon I ever had was in Ireland years ago... They call it "rashers." Thick-cut slabs. YUM. And the rest of the food was much better than I expected, too. Thick, pureed soups (looks like jarred Gerber baby food but tasty), prime rib, brown bread, steel cut oats...

 

[goillini52]

shonceman said:

The study cited even has a paragraph acknowledging this: "Processed meats, including sausage, pepperoni, bacon, ham, smoked turkey, and hot dogs, often contain nitrates and nitrites, which have been tied to cancer."

Best bacon I ever had was in Ireland years ago... They call it "rashers." Thick-cut slabs. YUM. And the rest of the food was much better than I expected, too. Thick, pureed soups (looks like jarred Gerber baby food but tasty), prime rib, brown bread, steel cut oats...

I like blended soup...but sometimes the color reminds me of something to do with babies, and I'm talking about after they eat the baby food.

 

[Northeast Agent]

goillini52 said:

I like blended soup...but sometimes the color reminds me of something to do with babies, and I'm talking about after they eat the baby food.

Haha, the first few days we were there the soup color (pea green or orange) nauseated me so I turned it down. But it was November and it rained every day, so one raw day I broke down and ate the "chicken veg" with brown bread and it was delish.

I guess you aren't a diaper-changer, then?

 

[rousemark]

shonceman said:

The study cited even has a paragraph acknowledging this: "Processed meats, including sausage, pepperoni, bacon, ham, smoked turkey, and hot dogs, often contain nitrates and nitrites, which have been tied to cancer."

Best bacon I ever had was in Ireland years ago... They call it "rashers." Thick-cut slabs. YUM. And the rest of the food was much better than I expected, too. Thick, pureed soups (looks like jarred Gerber baby food but tasty), prime rib, brown bread, steel cut oats...

Had fried hog's jowl this morning.... Other than have a tendency to be a little tougher, it is much better than bacon...

 

[goillini52]

goillini52 said:

I like blended soup...but sometimes the color reminds me of something to do with babies, and I'm talking about after they eat the baby food.

Haha, the first few days we were there the soup color (pea green or orange) nauseated me so I turned it down. But it was November and it rained every day, so one raw day I broke down and ate the "chicken veg" with brown bread and it was delish.

I guess you aren't a diaper-changer, then?

I changed plenty of diapers, but never found them to be appetizing.

 

[goillini52]

Had fried hog's jowl this morning.... Other than have a tendency to be a little tougher, it is much better than bacon...

 

[DayTimer]

Are we assuming that this fictional person is not burning any calories?

Nope. They're both dead.

Here is a guy who did an experiment.

EXPERIMENT A: First, he at 5000 calories per day of a high fat low carbohydrate diet. Here were his results:

"If a calorie is just a calorie when it comes to eating food, over the 21 days I should have put on 7.3kg ending up at 92.9kg from my starting weight of 85.6kg. However, after a 56,654 calorie surplus over the 21 days I ended up putting on 1.3kg ending up at 86.9kg, a relatively large discrepancy to say the least to the tune of 6kg. I also measured my waist which started off at 79.5cm and I ended up at 3cm less at 76.5cm."

You can read his account of this n=1 experiement here:

Why I Didn't Get Fat From Eating 5,000 Calories A Day Of A High Fat Diet - Smash The Fat Fitness & Fat Loss Boot Camps

EXPERIMENT B: He also did the same experiment, 5000 calorties per day eating high carb, low fat. He got FAT

On the previous LCHF experiment unfortunately I didn't do a starting BodPod assessment, the apparatus we used to calculate my body fat. However, we did do one at the end giving me a finishing body fat of 12.6% in the LCHF experiment. With the CARB experiment I started at 12.7%, so using my powers of deduction it appears I didn't put on much fat over the LCHF experiment. Now, instead of finishing on a similar number on the CARB experiment I ended up at 16.9% which is a +4.2% gain

Why I DID Get Fat From Eating 5,000 Calories A Day Of A High Carb Diet - Smash The Fat Fitness & Fat Loss Boot Camps

EXPERIMENT C: Afterwards, he did the same experiment - consuming 5000 calories per day eating a real or whole foods vegan diet. He got a bit fat on the vegan diet:

In this latest self-experiment I ate 5,794 k/cals a day of a high carb low fat real foods diet (VEGAN). Over these 21 days I put on +4.7kg (10.4lbs) and +7.75cm (3.1ins) around my waist. Also, in my BodPod assessments I started at 12.9% body fat and ended up at 15.5%, meaning that I put on +3.1kg (6.8lbs) of pure fat. The missing +1.6kg (3.5lbs) would be due to an increase in glycogen, stored carbohydrate, and water retention.

Why I Got A Bit Fat Eating Over 5,000 Calories A Day Of A Vegan Diet - Smash The Fat Fitness & Fat Loss Boot Camps

You can read his results if you'd like, and you can watch his videos on youtube if you'd like.

The hypothesis he was testing was that calories-in calories-out does not matter, at least not in the way we have been led to believe.

What his experiments demonstrate is that the human body, given the proper diet, will self-correct to the proper weight and body composition. The human body, fed the wrong foods, will get fat.

With respect to the example I gave above where one person eats 2000 calories per day of donuts and the other eat 2000 calories per day of bacon, let us assume that each lives a rather sedentary life and only burns 1500 calories per day.

The bacon eater will eat his bacon and whatever is not immediately needed will be stored as fat. However, because this person will not produce much insulin, his body will also be able to time release the energy stored in the fat cells as needed. Additionally, as a fat burner rather than a sugar burner, he will over time see an increase in his resting metabolism, and his body will soon be burning the 2000 calories he consumes each day.

The donut eater, on the other hand, will likewise store excess energy as fat. However, over time, due to the significantly higher levels of circulating insulin in his body, the fat cells will no longer time release the energy when required because fat will not release energy when levels of insulin are high. Why? Because insulin is a hormone whose job it is to store excess energy in fat cells.

This causes the donut eater to both accumulate stored fat, and it will also cause the donut eater's metabolism to slow down. Why? Because his body is not able to get the fuel it needs from the stored fat. While the bacon eater's resting metabolism has increased from 1500 calories per day to 2000, the donut eaters metabolism has decreased to 1200 calories per day.

So why does the donut eater still eat 2000 calories of donuts each day? Because his body still is calling for energy. We call that hunger.

So yes, weight gain is caused by eating more calories than your body burns. But the composition of the diet is what matters. The same amount of calories of a high processed carb diet, or a vegan diet, or any high carb diet will eventually cause weight gain in most humans. The problem is we are taught to eat that sort of diet and we have been since the McGovern Dietary Guidelines were released in the late 70's.

All you anti-gov't conservatives ever ask yourselves why we had no obesity or diabetes epidemic until the 1980's and 90's? Has the government ever been wrong before? Do you really think the government has your best interests at heart? Has the government never steered you wrong?

If folks are getting fat and yet they are eating exactly what they have been taught to eat, who's at fault?

@goillini52 lost 40 pounds just making a simple change in what he ate. And there is not one gov't dietician who will tell you that what he started eating was healthy. And yet he is in far better health today than he was just two years ago while he was eating the standard American diet. And while I'm sure he over indulged from time to time as we all do, I would bet he didn't feel he was a glutton. Instead, his body self corrected to the proper weight and body composition.

I find it interesting that Lions are lazy, and sleep up to 18 to 20 hours a day in the wild. When they eat they gorge themselves on meat and fat. And yet you will never find a picture of a fat lion in the wild.

Humans are apparently no different: Feed a man as a lion eats, and he will become lean and healthy without ever running a 5K or stepping foot into a gym.

Feed a man any version of the Standard American Diet, which has become the Standard World Diet, and in a majority of cases he will go to fat, lose lean muscle mass, and develop one or more of the diseases of modernity - diabetes, heart attack, cancer, and stroke.

None of this is conjecture any longer. Here is an article from the American Medical Journal: https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(01)00991-3/abstract

You do not have to be a PhD or MD to learn new things. You just have to have an open and inquisitive mind and the ability to read. I do not have a PhD or MD but I have reads hundreds of articles in medical and scientific journals about this topic (I admit that it helps having a daughter who is a biochem major to explain some of the more esoteric elements to me) but this is all out there for every American to find for him or herself.

I can't help the willfully uninformed and stupid. This is my last post on this. I don't do this for the idiots who want to continue believing that the earth is flat and that fat makes us fat. As @vic120 noted above, this is for the folks following along who might come upon this discussion and benefit from it. Even here at an insurance-forum there are a small number of agents who don't ever post in the forum have contacted me to tell me that they followed the bacon thread and they too have had results similar to @goillini52.



How the Ideology of Low Fat Conquered America

Amazon product ASIN 1451624433
Amazon product ASIN 1400033462

 

[rousemark]

Nope. They're both dead.

Here is a guy who did an experiment.

EXPERIMENT A: First, he at 5000 calories per day of a high fat low carbohydrate diet. Here were his results:

"If a calorie is just a calorie when it comes to eating food, over the 21 days I should have put on 7.3kg ending up at 92.9kg from my starting weight of 85.6kg. However, after a 56,654 calorie surplus over the 21 days I ended up putting on 1.3kg ending up at 86.9kg, a relatively large discrepancy to say the least to the tune of 6kg. I also measured my waist which started off at 79.5cm and I ended up at 3cm less at 76.5cm."

You can read his account of this n=1 experiement here:

Why I Didn't Get Fat From Eating 5,000 Calories A Day Of A High Fat Diet - Smash The Fat Fitness & Fat Loss Boot Camps

EXPERIMENT B: He also did the same experiment, 5000 calorties per day eating high carb, low fat. He got FAT

On the previous LCHF experiment unfortunately I didn't do a starting BodPod assessment, the apparatus we used to calculate my body fat. However, we did do one at the end giving me a finishing body fat of 12.6% in the LCHF experiment. With the CARB experiment I started at 12.7%, so using my powers of deduction it appears I didn't put on much fat over the LCHF experiment. Now, instead of finishing on a similar number on the CARB experiment I ended up at 16.9% which is a +4.2% gain

Why I DID Get Fat From Eating 5,000 Calories A Day Of A High Carb Diet - Smash The Fat Fitness & Fat Loss Boot Camps

EXPERIMENT C: Afterwards, he did the same experiment - consuming 5000 calories per day eating a real or whole foods vegan diet. He got a bit fat on the vegan diet:

In this latest self-experiment I ate 5,794 k/cals a day of a high carb low fat real foods diet (VEGAN). Over these 21 days I put on +4.7kg (10.4lbs) and +7.75cm (3.1ins) around my waist. Also, in my BodPod assessments I started at 12.9% body fat and ended up at 15.5%, meaning that I put on +3.1kg (6.8lbs) of pure fat. The missing +1.6kg (3.5lbs) would be due to an increase in glycogen, stored carbohydrate, and water retention.

Why I Got A Bit Fat Eating Over 5,000 Calories A Day Of A Vegan Diet - Smash The Fat Fitness & Fat Loss Boot Camps

You can read his results if you'd like, and you can watch his videos on youtube if you'd like.

The hypothesis he was testing was that calories-in calories-out does not matter, at least not in the way we have been led to believe.

What his experiments demonstrate is that the human body, given the proper diet, will self-correct to the proper weight and body composition. The human body, fed the wrong foods, will get fat.

With respect to the example I gave above where one person eats 2000 calories per day of donuts and the other eat 2000 calories per day of bacon, let us assume that each lives a rather sedentary life and only burns 1500 calories per day.

The bacon eater will eat his bacon and whatever is not immediately needed will be stored as fat. However, because this person will not produce much insulin, his body will also be able to time release the energy stored in the fat cells as needed. Additionally, as a fat burner rather than a sugar burner, he will over time see an increase in his resting metabolism, and his body will soon be burning the 2000 calories he consumes each day.

The donut eater, on the other hand, will likewise store excess energy as fat. However, over time, due to the significantly higher levels of circulating insulin in his body, the fat cells will no longer time release the energy when required because fat will not release energy when levels of insulin are high. Why? Because insulin is a hormone whose job it is to store excess energy in fat cells.

This causes the donut eater to both accumulate stored fat, and it will also cause the donut eater's metabolism to slow down. Why? Because his body is not able to get the fuel it needs from the stored fat. While the bacon eater's resting metabolism has increased from 1500 calories per day to 2000, the donut eaters metabolism has decreased to 1200 calories per day.

So why does the donut eater still eat 2000 calories of donuts each day? Because his body still is calling for energy. We call that hunger.

So yes, weight gain is caused by eating more calories than your body burns. But the composition of the diet is what matters. The same amount of calories of a high processed carb diet, or a vegan diet, or any high carb diet will eventually cause weight gain in most humans. The problem is we are taught to eat that sort of diet and we have been since the McGovern Dietary Guidelines were released in the late 70's.

All you anti-gov't conservatives ever ask yourselves why we had no obesity or diabetes epidemic until the 1980's and 90's? Has the government ever been wrong before? Do you really think the government has your best interests at heart? Has the government never steered you wrong?

If folks are getting fat and yet they are eating exactly what they have been taught to eat, who's at fault?

@goillini52 lost 40 pounds just making a simple change in what he ate. And there is not one gov't dietician who will tell you that what he started eating was healthy. And yet he is in far better health today than he was just two years ago while he was eating the standard American diet. And while I'm sure he over indulged from time to time as we all do, I would bet he didn't feel he was a glutton. Instead, his body self corrected to the proper weight and body composition.

I find it interesting that Lions are lazy, and sleep up to 18 to 20 hours a day in the wild. When they eat they gorge themselves on meat and fat. And yet you will never find a picture of a fat lion in the wild.

Humans are apparently no different: Feed a man as a lion eats, and he will become lean and healthy without ever running a 5K or stepping foot into a gym.

Feed a man any version of the Standard American Diet, which has become the Standard World Diet, and in a majority of cases he will go to fat, lose lean muscle mass, and develop one or more of the diseases of modernity - diabetes, heart attack, cancer, and stroke.

None of this is conjecture any longer. Here is an article from the American Medical Journal: https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(01)00991-3/abstract

You do not have to be a PhD or MD to learn new things. You just have to have an open and inquisitive mind and the ability to read. I do not have a PhD or MD but I have reads hundreds of articles in medical and scientific journals about this topic (I admit that it helps having a daughter who is a biochem major to explain some of the more esoteric elements to me) but this is all out there for every American to find for him or herself.

I can't help the willfully uninformed and stupid. This is my last post on this. I don't do this for the idiots who want to continue believing that the earth is flat and that fat makes us fat. As @vic120 noted above, this is for the folks following along who might come upon this discussion and benefit from it. Even here at an insurance-forum there are a small number of agents who don't ever post in the forum have contacted me to tell me that they followed the bacon thread and they too have had results similar to @goillini52.



How the Ideology of Low Fat Conquered America

Amazon product ASIN 1451624433
Amazon product ASIN 1400033462

I have never though eating animal fat would make you fat... My mother loved fat meat and she was never heavy until after she went into the nursing home. She gained weight there because she got no exercise and her diet was heavy on sugars and carbs.. I am gaining weight again because I have recently become a "cookie monster".. My son in law bought me a huge box of Danish Butter Cookies and I just can't resist eating a dozen or so per day..

 

[DayTimer]

My son in law bought me a huge box of Danish Butter Cookies and I just can't resist eating a dozen or so per day

Sounds like the son in law is in a hurry to get his hands on the Rouse family fortune.

 

[rousemark]

Sounds like the son in law is in a hurry to get his hands on the Rouse family fortune.

He already has the best part of it.. One of my daughters!