To simply say that "it seems to be more of what the other posters are saying..." is admitting ignorance to the facts. Since none of us really know MOO's motive, what are we afraid of losing by giving them the benefit of the doubt and accepting it at face value? What is more important, trying to right what appears to be a wrong, or your own personal political agenda?
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I get your point, and that's why I clarified my initial statement in my response, when I said that I wasn't really focusing on MOO decision to change their logo, but more so on the small group of people that are trying to change every little thing "under the sun".
Also, I would probably agree with some of what you're saying, if there was a general consensus (or even large minority) of people across the country that agreed with the sentiments on "positive change" that were expressed in your response.
However, that's not the case, but rather, it's just a very small group of people ("mini-tyrants") that are running around trying to dictate to everyone else how they should think, talk and act; and what they can view, read and enjoy (literary pieces, language, art, monuments, movies etc.).
Many things throughout history have been done in the name of "positive change", "safety" etc., but that doesn't necessarily make it so!
"Positive Change" is very subjective.
And that's not what's currently going on, in my opinion, but rather, it's just a thinly-veiled effort to control others by a bunch of insecure and self-righteous individuals.
Ironically , all of these little childish antics that these groups are engaging in, does absolutely nothing to really solve the real problems and challenges that we face as a society.
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I have no political agenda. The leftists that are driving this, are not trying to right what appears to be wrong, but there may be more people that see it your way, than mine. If you really believe in all of this stuff going on, then take some comfort in that thought.
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cant entirely disagree with this, but if I was leading that company I would have 1st met with leaders in the tribes of the Omaha area to consider their thoughts & then considered paying a future royalty to their tribe for needed programs within their tribe. that kind of stuff could go a long way rather than merely making the entire issue, real or perceived, go away. Maybe they had been getting derogatory feedback, but I think they may have been trying to get ahead of not being the next corporate target of the woke elite liberal whites
PS-- native American blood in my genes, parent to 2 African American children, so I don't feel like I am bigoted or discriminatory, just thinking some of this is going overboard. Some needs to change, but not sure all do. Hulu just removed an episode of Golden Girls because the old ladies were having spa days with mud masks------they were not in blackface, but that was removed. SPA night at my house is sometimes with mud masks & other times light masks & 100% of the time there is no one doing it to make the other race in our bathroom to be inferior
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most important to 1st to figure out if there is anything wrong in the first place by discussing with the impacted group. maybe they did that. but if they didn't, removing any & all symbols or use of native culture in advertising has the potential to wipe any & all acknowledgement of our history from day to day life
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Let me ask you this, what's so wrong about having a picture of a native american, African american etc. on a logo/advertisement/product?
As long as it's not being done in a derogatory manner, I don't see the problem.
Also, do you happen to see these same groups/organizations getting riled up when there is a white person being depicted on a logo/product?... And, if not, than why do they have a problem when it is a person of another race?
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The irony is, that the majority of the people who are supposedly the most "offended", usually don't even belong to the group(s) that they purport to speak on behalf of.
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What needs to happen is companies must stand up to this foolishness or it literally won't end.
The logic being employed that deems everything racist can be applied to virtually everything.
If someone or a group of people are affected by an old ass name or image, they have severe personal deficiencies.
The logic being employed that deems everything racist can be applied to virtually everything.
If someone or a group of people are affected by an old ass name or image, they have severe personal deficiencies.
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Bingo. many of my minority friends & family members are pissed about that because it is hurting their legitimate issues & makes them look bad because of how over the top some of the extreme white liberals are. Same is true for the extreme far right nuts. The bad 10% on the extremes are making it bad for the rest of us in the middle of it & causing a worse divide
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I'm actually Indian (or Native whichever my family hated being called a Native American) have my actual citizen card and am about as brown as you can get. Me and my family specifically have never complained about any of the teams being called "redskins" or "Indians" i actually own a Cleveland Indians jersey with my last name on it even though i don't even watch baseball, because i like the fact that Indians are being associated with something positive to it. Most of the people i see complain about silly things like that are people with minuscule native blood in them .
