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[scagnt83]

That's right, personally my cap on garbage consumption is about 5 seconds. I appreciate your attention to the matter.

Funny how some people consider facts "garbage".

It is a fact that the German economy is the only thing propping up the EU.

It is a fact that Greece/Spain/Portugal all would be bankrupt without the EU (Germany) bailing out their economies.

It is a fact that a growing % of Germans no longer want to remain in the EU.

It is a fact that the UK government has debated pulling out of the EU charter.

It is a fact that very few of the jobs created by Obama's stimulus still exist today.

It is a fact that the French economy has stagnated and relied on European Central Bank more and more to buy their debt. (much like we have been doing in the US with the Fed buying up Treasuries)

It is a fact that 60% of the US pays little to no federal income tax.


The truth is the truth is the truth.

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Actually all I've been saying is tax money is reintroduced into the marketplace driving additional demand which creates additional work and service opportunities.

What you are describing is redistribution and relying on it leads to stagnation and deflation.

You are simply taking from one bucket and putting that money into another bucket. The benefit is only temporary because it is the same money being moved around. Taxes benefit one person or entity, but they also take away from another person or entity.

I take $10 away from you and give it to Joe; Joe's personal economy just improved. But your personal economy just got worse. The NET increase to the overall economy between the two of you is a NET of ZERO. Nothing has been created, only moved around.

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Or think of it like this. If you take away from a business and give it to their customers, sure the customers come back and buy more. But if all they can buy is what the business gives back to them, the amount they are able to buy decreases over time (do the math using a 40% tax rate).

To combat this, you then have to increase the amount the business gives back to their customers. If you keep repeating this cycle, eventually the business is giving away the majority of their profits to their customers just so they can keep buying the companies products and they stay in business. Since the amount going back into the business as profits becomes less and less over time,eventually that means the business cant afford to stay the same size.... so it shrinks... which is the same as stagflation followed by deflation.

 

[toddoxley]

Funny how some people consider facts "garbage".

It is a fact that the German economy is the only thing propping up the EU.

It is a fact that Greece/Spain/Portugal all would be bankrupt without the EU (Germany) bailing out their economies.

It is a fact that a growing % of Germans no longer want to remain in the EU.

It is a fact that the UK government has debated pulling out of the EU charter.

It is a fact that very few of the jobs created by Obama's stimulus still exist today.

It is a fact that the French economy has stagnated and relied on European Central Bank more and more to buy their debt. (much like we have been doing in the US with the Fed buying up Treasuries)

It is a fact that 60% of the US pays little to no federal income tax.


The truth is the truth is the truth.

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What you are describing is redistribution and relying on it leads to stagnation and deflation.

You are simply taking from one bucket and putting that money into another bucket. The benefit is only temporary because it is the same money being moved around. Taxes benefit one person or entity, but they also take away from another person or entity.

I take $10 away from you and give it to Joe; Joe's personal economy just improved. But your personal economy just got worse. The NET increase to the overall economy between the two of you is a NET of ZERO. Nothing has been created, only moved around.

Thank you Scagnt83, you are spot on. Lefties simply do not understand that it is NOT the function of the United States Government ( see constitution) to redistribute the wealth of the country as they see fit.

 

[somarco]

Gilmore, what product or service does DC produce and sell to the public for a profit (or loss)?

Hardee's now has a new breakfast biscuit that has chicken AND egg on the same sandwich.

Which came first? The biscuit or the chicken and egg?

 

[sman]

Gilmore, what product or service does DC produce and sell to the public for a profit (or loss)?

The postal service sells a product/service and they are profitable. Oh wait, my bad.

 

[healther]

Funny how some people consider facts "garbage".

It is a fact that the German economy is the only thing propping up the EU.

It is a fact that Greece/Spain/Portugal all would be bankrupt without the EU (Germany) bailing out their economies.

It is a fact that a growing % of Germans no longer want to remain in the EU.

It is a fact that the UK government has debated pulling out of the EU charter.

It is a fact that very few of the jobs created by Obama's stimulus still exist today.

It is a fact that the French economy has stagnated and relied on European Central Bank more and more to buy their debt. (much like we have been doing in the US with the Fed buying up Treasuries)

It is a fact that 60% of the US pays little to no federal income tax.


The truth is the truth is the truth.

YAgents was referencing my comment to some other garbage.

Here is all I have for ya'...

I'm not an expert on the European Economic situation. I do watch the BBC a good bit and would agree that Germany appears to be hands down the strongest in the EU. But whether or not they are the only thing propping the EU up I would classify as debatable, strong argument but debatable - not a fact.

I would agree that the stimulus package was a disaster, very few jobs ehhh... few is subject to interpretation - not a fact.

Yes, I've actually listened to Parliament argue about pulling out of the EU on C-SPAN - that's a fact.

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Thank you Scagnt83, you are spot on. Lefties simply do not understand that it is NOT the function of the United States Government ( see constitution) to redistribute the wealth of the country as they see fit.

Righties do not understand the difference between fact and opinion.

... and for me, it's not about redistributing the wealth, it's more a function of keeping the peace. I enjoy my life in the greatest country on Earth. Socialized ideals are not new. The current environment simply makes them more attractive, not to me, but obviously to many.

 

[goillini52]

Socialized ideals are not new. The current environment simply makes them more attractive, not to me, but obviously to many.

You must mean the one's that got O'bama re-elected. The one's that don't work...the one's that got the free O'bamaphones.

 

[toddoxley]

YAgents was referencing my comment to some other garbage.

Here is all I have for ya'...

I'm not an expert on the European Economic situation. I do watch the BBC a good bit and would agree that Germany appears to be hands down the strongest in the EU. But whether or not they are the only thing propping the EU up I would classify as debatable, strong argument but debatable - not a fact.

I would agree that the stimulus package was a disaster, very few jobs ehhh... few is subject to interpretation - not a fact.

Yes, I've actually listened to Parliament argue about pulling out of the EU on C-SPAN - that's a fact.

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Righties do not understand the difference between fact and opinion.

... and for me, it's not about redistributing the wealth, it's more a function of keeping the peace. I enjoy my life in the greatest country on Earth. Socialized ideals are not new. The current environment simply makes them more attractive, not to me, but obviously to many.

So, to you is it Fact or opinion that the constitution of the United States does not afford the government the right to redistribute wealth as it sees fit ?

 

[scagnt83]

YAgents was referencing my comment to some other garbage.

Here is all I have for ya'...

I'm not an expert on the European Economic situation. I do watch the BBC a good bit and would agree that Germany appears to be hands down the strongest in the EU. But whether or not they are the only thing propping the EU up I would classify as debatable, strong argument but debatable - not a fact.

Well the head of the ECB has said publicly that Germany pulling out of the EU would likely make it unsustainable (she used a more politically positive phrase) in the current economic environment.

The problem is that the Germans have become largely dependent on other EU countries for their growth. They have started to diversify more and more over the past decade. But not enough to make it a comfortable transition out of the EU from an economic standpoint... because that would mean other EU countries would likely have serious economic depressions and therefore it would hurt the German economy too much in the short term.

But it is a catch-22 for Germany. They are dependent on those other EU countries for their economy still... but they are the ones giving money to those EU countries so those countries can turn right around and buy German goods/services.

It is the same stagnant economic cycle that produces short term growth followed by long term stagflation and deflation. What I described in my last post about taxes not boosting the economy. Germany is in the exact same situation as the 30% of taxpayers are here in the US.

Germany has come to realize this deflationary cycle that they are in with other EU nations. That is why they have diversified away from the EU more and more over the years and will likely exit in the next 10-20 years... which could potentially start WW3 in Europe all over again (seriously... economics caused the last 2)

 

[healther]

So, to you is it Fact or opinion that the constitution of the United States does not afford the government the right to redistribute wealth as it sees fit ?

That is up to the Supreme Court, and they offer an "Opinion".

My grandfather was a very accomplished attorney and he would tell you, "The law is what the judge just said it was."

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You must mean the one's that got O'bama re-elected. The one's that don't work...the one's that got the free O'bamaphones.

Good question, let's take a look at the New Hampshire exit poll data...

Yup, the higher up the income ladder you go, the more attractive Hillary seemed to be vs. Sanders. Scary.

 

[toddoxley]

That is up to the Supreme Court, and they offer an "Opinion".

My grandfather was a very accomplished attorney and he would tell you, "The law is what the judge just said it was."

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Good question, let's take a look at the New Hampshire exit poll data...

Yup, the higher up the income ladder you go, the more attractive Hillary seemed to be vs. Sanders. Scary.

You lefties really do like it when elections are about nothing more than 2 wolves and 1 sheep voting on what is for dinner...