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No, they don't.

MA premiums are not based on income. Everyone gets the same amount of premium subsidy regardless of income. Technically, the insurers get the subsidy and use it to lower premiums for everyone.

I know of many high income earners who own a business and are on ACA subsides. I know many hard working middle class families who are on ACA subsidies. The majority on ACA subsidy receivers are actively contributing to our society and economy.
 
MA premiums are not based on income. Everyone gets the same amount of premium subsidy regardless of income. Technically, the insurers get the subsidy and use it to lower premiums for everyone.

I know of many high income earners who own a business and are on ACA subsides. I know many hard working middle class families who are on ACA subsidies. The majority on ACA subsidy receivers are actively contributing to our society and economy.
Ok... cool story, bro. Not Medicare beneficiaries aren't paying for it with their tax dollars. Particularly those enrolled in MAPD's. They are no longer paying those taxes at all since they are no longer working.
 
Ok... cool story, bro. Not Medicare beneficiaries aren't paying for it with their tax dollars. Particularly those enrolled in MAPD's. They are no longer paying those taxes at all since they are no longer working.
Actually if people's social security is high enough it is taxable - both federal and in some, but not all, states. Also if they have pensions, money they need to take out of their retirement account (eg the minimum distribution requirements from most accounts although not Roth IRA's and money taken out of them is not taxable as tax was paid on that money before the put it in the Roth account) is taxable. So many people are still paying income tax.
 
Actually if people's social security is high enough it is taxable - both federal and in some, but not all, states. Also if they have pensions, money they need to take out of their retirement account (eg the minimum distribution requirements from most accounts although not Roth IRA's and money taken out of them is not taxable as tax was paid on that money before the put it in the Roth account) is taxable. So many people are still paying income tax.
Those aren't the people on MAPD... so again... cool story, bro!
 
Those aren't the people on MAPD... so again... cool story, bro!
That's not true. Plenty of people who are on MAPD's aren't dual eligible and have enough in social security, pensions, other retirement accounts that they do have to pay taxes on some of their social security and other income (including other retirement income).

Copy/Paste from the IRS
"You report the taxable portion of your social security benefits on line 6b of Form 1040 or Form 1040-SR. Your benefits may be taxable if the total of (1) one-half of your benefits, plus (2) all of your other income, including tax-exempt interest, is greater than the base amount for your filing status."

All of your other income includes other retirement income, withdrawals from retirement accounts, pensions, etc. very possible for people to have to pay income taxes. Plus social security is only tax free in some states but nearly all of those states still require you to pay taxes on other retirement income.
 
That's not true. Plenty of people who are on MAPD's aren't dual eligible and have enough in social security, pensions, other retirement accounts that they do have to pay taxes on some of their social security and other income (including other retirement income).

Copy/Paste from the IRS
"You report the taxable portion of your social security benefits on line 6b of Form 1040 or Form 1040-SR. Your benefits may be taxable if the total of (1) one-half of your benefits, plus (2) all of your other income, including tax-exempt interest, is greater than the base amount for your filing status."

All of your other income includes other retirement income, withdrawals from retirement accounts, pensions, etc. very possible for people to have to pay income taxes. Plus social security is only tax free in some states but nearly all of those states still require you to pay taxes on other retirement income.

The overwhelming majority of medicare beneficiaries on MAPD receive less than $25,000/year. Also, part A is funded by FICA taxes. They don't pay FICA at all on unearned income. Part B is only partially funded by general revenues (74%).

Like I said, the people I sit with do not pay into anything. Other than their Part B which is a sunk costs. They pay it either way.
 

The overwhelming majority of medicare beneficiaries on MAPD receive less than $25,000/year. Also, part A is funded by FICA taxes. They don't pay FICA at all on unearned income. Part B is only partially funded by general revenues (74%).

Like I said, the people I sit with do not pay into anything. Other than their Part B which is a sunk costs. They pay it either way.
That your clients don't doesn't mean all don't.
 
That your clients don't doesn't mean all don't.

Maybe you should read my original comment. I was referring to my clients. But go off. And still the vast majority pay nothing and even those that do receive more back in form of the subsidies. So again… it cost them nothing.
 
Maybe you should read my original comment. I was referring to my clients. But go off. And still the vast majority pay nothing and even those that do receive more back in form of the subsidies. So again… it cost them nothing.
On the other hand before they were eligible for medicare most of them paid into a system (via taxes) that they weren't using so it did cost them something at one point in time. I suppose you could look at it as "getting their money back".
 
Ok... cool story, bro. Not Medicare beneficiaries aren't paying for it with their tax dollars. Particularly those enrolled in MAPD's. They are no longer paying those taxes at all since they are no longer working.

Retirees pay taxes.

Social Security is taxed at the Federal level.
85% to be exact, is taxed if combined income is over $25k.

IRA distributions are taxed at the Federal level.

Ever heard of RMDs? The government literally forces IRA distributions for the reason of taxes.

Retirees pay plenty of taxes, unless they are destitute.

And those taxes help pay the $500,000,000,000 in tax subsidies given to MAPD carriers to reduce Premiums.
 
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