Concentration Camps for Us Old Folks in the Name of Protecting Us

Life Hawk said:
@rousemark, you would taste musty and be tough and stringy... ;)

Curfews are in acted for crowed control... if you think other wise you are sore mistaken and are not living in reality.

Just checked, over 1.5 million deaths due to HIV/AIDS this year. Hmm... have they outlawed drug usage or sex for a few months to bring those numbers down and flatten the curve?

I choose truth over facts! :twitchy:
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None of those conditions you mentioned are contagious.
 
Travis Price said:
Just as an aside..

Recovery is kind misleading.

For example, 1% die.

However, you also have a significant amount of people that have ongoing complications well after they recover, including cardiovascular, respiratory, and even neurological disorders.

For example, I have a case now (where I've actually read the medical records) where the person got it in March, who was essentially healthy, who was on O2 until a couple of months ago, and continues to have restrictive air disease.

They also have a slowing EEG reading, neuropathy, and tachycardia.

The effects of CoVID aren't 1/0 like the flu. It's interesting when you see responses like this when you've actually been able to see the last 18 months in a timeline from someone that had complications.

PS: Anyone that says masks don't work...

You are wrong.

But hey... I'm all for Darwinism... Want to catch it, possibly transmit it to your loved ones, and they possibly die or have complications... That's on you. You're going to be the one feeling like garbage..
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Hey, Travis. Really, I get all that. A support guy I know from one of the company offices I deal with spent 10 days in ICU with it earlier this year. He was off work for 3 months. He’s a relatively young guy in generally good health, so it came as a complete shock! Another guy I know is on oxygen 24/7 right now trying to stay alive (he already had COPD, so high risk). We just cancelled family thanksgiving because my wife’s sister has symptoms (she got tested today, but won’t have results in time for the holiday.) My wife is high risk. I’m being very cautious - masks, sanitizer, all that.

So, I’m taking it seriously, in spite of the somewhat flippant nature of the meme. The point of the joke, though, is just how much are we willing to give up in the name of mitigating all risk? As bad as the disease is, I can’t see any justification for the dystopian scenario suggested by the CDC document that @rousemark posted.

And I realize the language is directed at “humanitarian” operations. But there is nothing in that document that indicates that such an operation wouldn’t be a possibility in your own neighborhood if the powers that be were to determine the situation is desperate enough.
 
shonceman said:
Hey, Travis. Really, I get all that. A support guy I know from one of the company offices I deal with spent 10 days in ICU with it earlier this year. He was off work for 3 months. He’s a relatively young guy in generally good health, so it came as a complete shock! Another guy I know is on oxygen 24/7 right now trying to stay alive (he already had COPD, so high risk). We just cancelled family thanksgiving because my wife’s sister has symptoms (she got tested today, but won’t have results in time for the holiday.) My wife is high risk. I’m being very cautious - masks, sanitizer, all that.

So, I’m taking it seriously, in spite of the somewhat flippant nature of the meme. The point of the joke, though, is just how much are we willing to give up in the name of mitigating all risk? As bad as the disease is, I can’t see any justification for the dystopian scenario suggested by the CDC document that @rousemark posted.

And I realize the language is directed at “humanitarian” operations. But there is nothing in that document that indicates that such an operation wouldn’t be a possibility in your own neighborhood if the powers that be were to determine the situation is desperate enough.
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I will speak for myself:

We're in the third spike of cases.

In MI, we have some of the most restrictive limitations in the country. Personally, I fully support our Governor.

However, looking where we are today.. we're at the cusp of the light at then end of the tunnel. Regardless of 99% of things I think the government has done wrong under Trump, spending to fast forward a vaccine in 8 months is a pretty spectacular achievement.

By the end of next year, we should be getting back to normal. So, the idea of spending 6 more months in the spot we're in now isn't that big of a deal to me.

This is the worst global pandemic since 1917. Almost none of us have lived through a pandemic, so many people have been blindly and willfully ignorant in protecting not only themselves, but the people around us.

Personal freedom is paramount in nearly all situations. This pandemic, which is not under control and is very serious. It is one of the threats to the nation that I'm willing to say, "I'm okay with a temporary lockdown." "I'm okay wearing a mask."

Had we aggressively and universally done this in the beginning, we probably would have been able to snuff the out sooner. However, our national leadership didn't really step up to a national problem until it was too late.
 
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