How long is a release supposed to take ?

Let's take away my age from this lol, I knew who my upline was it's was Jensen

Fair enough, and I am new enough to realize that what is obvious to someone with even a little experience is likely clear as mud to someone brand new, so while I do think this could have been resolved with airing dirty laundry on the forum, I do see your point as well. So let there be peace between us on that.

i met you and jensen at the "roadshow" and had explained my situation to you on a personal level ... you only listened to reply.

I totally get what you are saying here, and for anyone, but especially a rookie, you want to feel that your managers are taking the time to listen to you and understand your current perspective. That doesn't mean your perspective is the right one, but how else can someone help you see things in the right perspective if they do not first know where you are currently looking. You can't face someone in the right direction if you have no idea where their eyes are currently pointing.


you went ... to jensen and he confronted me the next day

From the "Blown away" thread, one would suppose that that didn't sit well with you. Again, I totally get it.

I'm new too, as I am at two years right about now, but only full time for the past six months. But I won't stop that from letting me make a suggestion, and if someone wants to get mad at me and say it is advice I have no business giving, so be it. Here it is:

If you want to be in this business, but you have no money for leads, go get a job at an organization like Combined Insurance. I have met three FE agents, and there are at least one or two on this forum in addition to the three I have personally met, who started with Combined. Each is a six-figure FE earner now.

You will not make a lot of money, but if you do well, you'll make $35 to $40k annualized. Importantly, you will learn to sell, and you will learn to prospect. You will get a four year degree in door to door selling in one year's time, and instead of it costing you the $100 to $200k it would cost to go to college and not leave with any demonstrable sales skills, you will have been paid $35 to $40 thousand dollars, of which you should be able to save $5K of that to do on a standing lead order, and you will have the skills to make this work for you. If you do that and can't save $5k, then this probably not for you, but then you will know, and rather than waste more time, you will know that it is time to explore other opportunities.

You are only 19. Do not be in a hurry. There is plenty of life ahead of you. I know that one year seems like a long time to you now, but I hope you can sit quietly and think about this long enough to realize that that one year with an organization that will teach you to sell and make a living without relying on leads will set you up for a life most of your friends will not believe even as they watch you live it.
 
Fair enough, and I am new enough to realize that what is obvious to someone with even a little experience is likely clear as mud to someone brand new, so while I do think this could have been resolved with airing dirty laundry on the forum, I do see your point as well. So let there be peace between us on that.



I totally get what you are saying here, and for anyone, but especially a rookie, you want to feel that your managers are taking the time to listen to you and understand your current perspective. That doesn't mean your perspective is the right one, but how else can someone help you see things in the right perspective if they do not first know where you are currently looking. You can't face someone in the right direction if you have no idea where their eyes are currently pointing.




From the "Blown away" thread, one would suppose that that didn't sit well with you. Again, I totally get it.

I'm new too, as I am at two years right about now, but only full time for the past six months. But I won't stop that from letting me make a suggestion, and if someone wants to get mad at me and say it is advice I have no business giving, so be it. Here it is:

If you want to be in this business, but you have no money for leads, go get a job at an organization like Combined Insurance. I have met three FE agents, and there are at least one or two on this forum in addition to the three I have personally met, who started with Combined. Each is a six-figure FE earner now.

You will not make a lot of money, but if you do well, you'll make $35 to $40k annualized. Importantly, you will learn to sell, and you will learn to prospect. You will get a four year degree in door to door selling in one year's time, and instead of it costing you the $100 to $200k it would cost to go to college and not leave with any demonstrable sales skills, you will have been paid $35 to $40 thousand dollars, of which you should be able to save $5K of that to do on a standing lead order, and you will have the skills to make this work for you. If you do that and can't save $5k, then this probably not for you, but then you will know, and rather than waste more time, you will know that it is time to explore other opportunities.

You are only 19. Do not be in a hurry. There is plenty of life ahead of you. I know that one year seems like a long time to you now, but I hope you can sit quietly and think about this long enough to realize that that one year with an organization that will teach you to sell and make a living without relying on leads will set you up for a life most of your friends will not believe even as they watch you live it.
My issue was that every time i said something about working old leads (we're talking 3+ year old aged leads that bankers life agents had called everyday consistently) which i joked about them being shit, he went to say "I could make 5 grand with those same leads" He just came off as an egotistical person lol. And i didn't read the blown away thread and far as i know it doesn't pertain to me because all of this happened at the EFES roadshow which was like early june. And i'm actually doing fine I've been selling a lot of med supps and just started term and i'm a part time manager for a shoe store to put money into my leads. I found another IMO that's treated me way better and gave me contracts that weren't 105%.
 
My issue was that every time i said something about working old leads (we're talking 3+ year old aged leads that bankers life agents had called everyday consistently) which i joked about them being shit, he went to say "I could make 5 grand with those same leads"

"The LEADS are weak? The F'n LEADS are weak? YOU'RE WEAK!"


If that's too strong, here's a lighter version:
 
I'm just messing with you.

Most people are pre-sold on what we do. Our job is to not screw it up! But some practices are built upon screwing it up - such as pestering people every day until they relent - and it sucks for both the agent and the potential client.
 
I'm just messing with you.

Most people are pre-sold on what we do. Our job is to not screw it up! But some practices are built upon screwing it up - such as pestering people every day until they relent - and it sucks for both the agent and the potential client.
I know when i worked for bankers life i felt like i pestered people until they agreed for an appointment then pestered them to buy right now.
 
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