Obama, Anti Bible?

[LGilmore]

you're quoting yourself in your own posts?

you are magical that's for sure.

Who wins the arguement when no one else is in the room?

 

[Guest]

you're quoting yourself in your own posts?

you are magical that's for sure.

Who wins the arguement when no one else is in the room?

I assume you talkin' ta me?

Guess it depends, Martin Luther argued out loud with Satan when no one else was in the room.

Thanks for bringing the self-quote to my attention, I fixed it. It did look odd, the forum software jams multiple posts into one. My bad.

Any comments on the substantive issues? Wanna share some of your material?

Later,

The Magical Troll (or if I add some of the names I've been called in this thread) :

The Magical, Thickheaded, Prideful, Hateful, Silly, Kooky, Extremist, Tongue-speaking, Disapproved, Banned, Devil Incarnate Internet Troll.
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"LGilmore is just trying to antagonize you"

Oh please.... If I were trying to antagonize him or you, I would be putting much much better material out there.

Why do you not put your much, much better material out here?

We had exactly the same impact on Pat. Absolutely none.

Maybe if you had put your much better material out there you would have a much better impact? I've been begging you to do this! Just because you don't have any impact doesn't mean you should be selfish and stingy with your best material. I've made no impact on you either but that hasn't stopped me from sharing my ideas with you. All the folks reading this thread are just getting one side, you are not being fair by not sharing your best material so folks can get both sides. Then we are a team, "we report, they decide". But you have left me in a room with no one else, talking to myself, as in your analogy. I can understand that if you are not going to post, I would TRULY be in that "room" alone, but that's not fair if you ARE going to post. You should post your best stuff. Now, you have admitted you have it and are with-holding it. Why?

Ya simply can't hear when you can't stop talking.. in this case, about himself...

I guarantee I will listen and hear your much better material if you will just put it out there. I hear everything you say, obviously, because I respond to it.
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......and for the record Oswald did kill Kennedy, we did land on the moon and Elvis Presley is no longer with us.

And the death, burial, and bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ is one of the most factually substantiated events in history.

 

[GreenSky]

And the death, burial, and bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ is one of the most factually substantiated events in history.

You are apparently an intelligent person. But factuallly substantiated? By what, that bible?

I guess so is Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and Natural Blondes. All of them have been in movies and since movies can be seen by many people, they must be based in fact.

The idea of god was to help uneducated people long ago try to understand nature. Now that we know better, why are we still believing in fairy tales?

Rick

 

[CPACINS]

The idea of god was to help uneducated people long ago try to understand nature. Now that we know better, why are we still believing in fairy tales?

Rick

Why oh why was this thread not dead long ago? Now Rick has to go and pull out something so offensive that I have to say something about it.

Rick, what if I had said that the only people who are atheist are those who have no life and are trying to justify their pitiful lives by saying there must be no God because their life sucks?

How does that sound? Please don't drop this kind of crap when 95% of the country are people of faith. I respect you having made your choice on your beliefs, but don't offend others in their's.

 

[Guest]

You are apparently an intelligent person. But factuallly substantiated? By what, that bible?

I guess so is Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and Natural Blondes. All of them have been in movies and since movies can be seen by many people, they must be based in fact.

The idea of god was to help uneducated people long ago try to understand nature. Now that we know better, why are we still believing in fairy tales?

Rick

Hey Rick, wazzup?

Aside from the Bible, if I were to gather all of the evidence together would it really make any difference to you?

And about the Bible, what do you believe about the 4 gospels. That it's fiction? I think there are about 4 extant copies of some ancient literature such as Iliad and Odyssey, but folks don't doubt at all that it is authentic, even thought those 4 copies differ with one another quite substantially.

We have over 5000 copies of the Greek New Testament that differ only in minor punctuation and such. So there is no doubt there that we have the information.

Are you assuming then that the New Testament is fiction rather than eyewitness account?

You can do the research but I don't think you are really interested enough. I was, and I did enough of the research to satisfy my reason which then undergirded my faith. Some folks can take it all by faith right out of the box - not me. Took me YEARS to wade through all the Christian "Santa Claus - Easter Bunny" type stuff to get to the preserved Truth. It ain't easy to do with all the stuff going around in the guise of Christianity.

Christianity has changed my life substantially and for the better. How has atheism changed your life for the better? What hope do you have? Just wondering, I'm not trying to be a troll.

Fairy Tales? Tell me yours. Where did we come from? How are we different from the animals, or are we? How did the universe come into being? If things are supposed to evolve, how come everything devolves (2nd law of thermodynamics, etc.). Chance? What are the chances life could develop by "accident" without a designer? What are the chances a Rolls Royce could appear by accident out of a junkyard? I don't know, man, but I just don't have enough faith to be an atheist. You gotta really have a special kind of faith to look at the "Creation" and not believe there is a Creator, that it just "somehow" started itself, and evolved by chance after lucky chance, or maybe faith in UFO's and little green men, or superintelligent aliens somewhere. You'd still have to have "faith" for any of that since there is no evidence. There's not even any evidence for simple evolution, it is still a "theory", therefore if you believe it, then that is your faith and "religion". There really is no such thing as an atheist.

Rick, you don't exist!

But you are typing, and you can see yourself in the mirror and feel yourself (don't go there), so there must be another explanation. What is it? Wanna dialogue with me? Tell me what you "believe". Or do you believe nothing?

Later dude

P.S. I like you and Al both, I know you disagree. It is great fun to see y'all go back and forth. There are those who would call you both trolls. Counting me, that would be three! If that's the case, then if you ask me, trolls are where it's at, man! Be cool, be a troll. I dunno...

 

[LGilmore]

"Why do you not put your much, much better material out here?"

Mainly, because your really not worth the effort.

"I hear everything you say"

No, not really. Not at all. But I am sure you'll take this opportunity to write more and more and more and more.....

 

[Merlin]

Hey Rick, wazzup?

Aside from the Bible, if I were to gather all of the evidence together would it really make any difference to you?

And about the Bible, what do you believe about the 4 gospels. That it's fiction? I think there are about 4 extant copies of some ancient literature such as Iliad and Odyssey, but folks don't doubt at all that it is authentic, even thought those 4 copies differ with one another quite substantially.

We have over 5000 copies of the Greek New Testament that differ only in minor punctuation and such. So there is no doubt there that we have the information.

Are you assuming then that the New Testament is fiction rather than eyewitness account?

You can do the research but I don't think you are really interested enough. I was, and I did enough of the research to satisfy my reason which then undergirded my faith. Some folks can take it all by faith right out of the box - not me. Took me YEARS to wade through all the Christian "Santa Claus - Easter Bunny" type stuff to get to the preserved Truth. It ain't easy to do with all the stuff going around in the guise of Christianity.

Christianity has changed my life substantially and for the better. How has atheism changed your life for the better? What hope do you have? Just wondering, I'm not trying to be a troll.

Fairy Tales? Tell me yours. Where did we come from? How are we different from the animals, or are we? How did the universe come into being? If things are supposed to evolve, how come everything devolves (2nd law of thermodynamics, etc.). Chance? What are the chances life could develop by "accident" without a designer? What are the chances a Rolls Royce could appear by accident out of a junkyard? I don't know, man, but I just don't have enough faith to be an atheist. You gotta really have a special kind of faith to look at the "Creation" and not believe there is a Creator, that it just "somehow" started itself, and evolved by chance after lucky chance, or maybe faith in UFO's and little green men, or superintelligent aliens somewhere. You'd still have to have "faith" for any of that since there is no evidence. There's not even any evidence for simple evolution, it is still a "theory", therefore if you believe it, then that is your faith and "religion". There really is no such thing as an atheist.

Rick, you don't exist!

But you are typing, and you can see yourself in the mirror and feel yourself (don't go there), so there must be another explanation. What is it? Wanna dialogue with me? Tell me what you "believe". Or do you believe nothing?

Later dude

P.S. I like you and Al both, I know you disagree. It is great fun to see y'all go back and forth. There are those who would call you both trolls. Counting me, that would be three! If that's the case, then if you ask me, trolls are where it's at, man! Be cool, be a troll. I dunno...

For me, it's like one of those murder trials, where, based on the evidence, the jury has about a 50/50 feeling about whether the guy did it or not....I'm looking for the video of that event to be turned in so that there is tangible proof....or should I just have faith that the jury will come to the correct decision? Prove it, then I will beleive and then I will follow...I mean if God is as great as you say he is, and if he did create me 6,000 years ago or whatever it is, then surely he would understand my rational way of thinking.

 

[Guest]

"Why do you not put your much, much better material out here?"

Mainly, because your really not worth the effort.

"I hear everything you say"

No, not really. Not at all. But I am sure you'll take this opportunity to write more and more and more and more.....

No sir, I'm waiting on you. And what can I do to become worth the effort?
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For me, it's like one of those murder trials, where, based on the evidence, the jury has about a 50/50 feeling about whether the guy did it or not....I'm looking for the video of that event to be turned in so that there is tangible proof....or should I just have faith that the jury will come to the correct decision? Prove it, then I will beleive and then I will follow...I mean if God is as great as you say he is, and if he did create me 6,000 years ago or whatever it is, then surely he would understand my rational way of thinking.

He does understand our rational way of thinking; we cannot understand His without His help. Read the first few chapters of Romans. The evidence is all around us, we are without excuse.

 

[LGilmore]

"And what can I do to become worth the effort?"

Just continue to be that star that you are...

Thank you by the way, for what appears to be the shortest post you've made.

 

[Aaron_4SIGHT]

If you bring as much passion to selling insurance as some of you have to this thread, you'll be a millionaire in no time!