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I posted that as a response to whether equality was granted by the Constitution. It wasn't explicitly until those amendments. But that doesn't mean that all of the founders were in favor of slavery. Many from the Northern states were in favor of abolishing slavery in the original Constitution. For example, "In denouncing a clause that preserved the slave trade until 1808, Constitutional Convention delegate Luther Martin chastised the institution as "inconsistent with the principles of the Revolution, and dishonorable to the American character." (Slavery and the Constitution | National Review)
Unfortunately, louder voices prevailed at that time. But a major historical point that's often missed is that while chattel slavery had existed under the British for nearly 170 years at that point, and worldwide for thousands of years, it was completely abolished in this country within only 80 years, a single lifetime, of the formation of our Constitution!
Just remember the NE also had slaves until it was no longer profitable to do so.
 
I believe your statement is a broad brush that lacks historical fact. :no:

You want to try that again?

Lacks historical fact?

Congress Passes Bill Banning Bias Against Women on Credit

Literally 1920 is when women got the right to vote. That's 100 years ago. That's not *really* that long ago.

Would you like me to spend some more time digging up some historical facts for you or would you like to concede the point now?
 
You want to try that again?

Lacks historical fact?

Congress Passes Bill Banning Bias Against Women on Credit

Literally 1920 is when women got the right to vote. That's 100 years ago. That's not *really* that long ago.

Would you like me to spend some more time digging up some historical facts for you or would you like to concede the point now?


Women of all races have been equally treated like **** in the U.S. for a long time.

Climbing the wrong tree with me. Not conceding the point. I suggest that if you think we have treated women so poorly in this country over the years that you take a little trip overseas to see how other countries have treat their women.

I said you made a blanket statement and I'm sticking to that.
 
Climbing the wrong tree with me. Not conceding the point. I suggest that if you think we have treated women so poorly in this country over the years that you take a little trip overseas to see how other countries have treat their women.

I said you made a blanket statement and I'm sticking to that.

We weren't talking about overseas. We were talking about the U.S.

The U.S. does not have a history of treating women well. I think as a country we've done pretty well, especially if you consider some of the folks in countries with more barbaric world views in general, but that doesn't change that in this country, historically, women have been treated pretty poorly. To put it another way, just because on culture literally allows for the physical abuse and stoning to death of women, doesn't mean that "marital rape" wasn't even considered a possibility. I think you're really sugar coating the past.

There is nothing wrong with acknowledging that historically it's been bad. Frankly, I think that's a part of what makes America great. I think over the last 100 years we've done more to advance human rights in general in this country than many many many other places. We do value equal opportunity. Very few people really want to hold anyone back. It's a great country! But downplaying our past is a betrayal to our progress.
 
Agreed!

You and I would probably enjoy a cup of coffee together and be more on the same page than you think. :)

I will admit that in the current environment I get my feathers a bit more ruffled lately when people speak ill of my country. :yes:

I genuinely appreciate our discussion. I think one of the real tragedies of the internet is that instead of learning to have discussions with each other it frequently turns into something worse.

If you're ever in LA, hit me up ;)
 
You want to try that again?

Lacks historical fact?

Congress Passes Bill Banning Bias Against Women on Credit

Literally 1920 is when women got the right to vote. That's 100 years ago. That's not *really* that long ago.

Would you like me to spend some more time digging up some historical facts for you or would you like to concede the point now?
Read the story of Harry T. Burn of Niota, TN... This the town closest to where I live and where I Have my mailing address.
 
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