I'm speaking only in terms of what the phrase meant to the drafters of the constitution. It certainly didn't mean that to them, shonnceman's post notwithstanding. When you count a certain class of men as 3/5 of a man when it comes to representation and then deny them input in choosing that representation, how can you seriously make the argument you consider them equal.
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The history on that 3/5 person decision is actually different from what most people think:
"The Three-Fifths Compromise was a compromise reached among state delegates during the 1787 United States Constitutional Convention. Whether and, if so, how slaves would be counted when determining a state's total population for legislative representation and taxing purposes was important, as this population number would then be used to determine the number of seatsthat the state would have in the United States House of Representatives for the next ten years. The compromise solution was to count three out of every five slaves as people for this purpose. Its effect was to give the Southern states a third more seats in Congress and a third more electoral votes than if slaves had been ignored, but fewer than if slaves and free people had been counted equally. The compromise was proposed by delegate James Wilson and seconded by Charles Pinckney on June 11, 1787."
Three-Fifths Compromise - Wikipedia
So, "3/5 personhood" had nothing to do with the relative value of people. It was only about political power.
Interesting parallel nowadays in the desire among some Democrats to allow undocumented immigrants to vote.
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The story of Onesimis is a very interesting story. Not sure if you are familiar with it, but it reveals some stark differences to our understanding of equality and how that is viewed.
It stands as proof the Bible does not condemn slavery.
They can color it anyway they like. No matter the reasoning behind the decision, the fact they made that decision proves they did not consider the slaves as equal. They did not provide counting any white man as 3/5s in an effort to achieve a "balance. "
If one needs to demand equality, it's apparent they weren't granted it by the Constitution.
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I have just been thinking for a bit... 
dangerous stuff.
I have question... for those seeking social equality why in the world would you sell insurance for a living... especially life and health?
We produce and service a product that by its inherent nature looks for ways to keep people from getting it. That's why they have underwriting departments by the way, not to assist you in approving your application, but looking for reasons to deny it.
We work with companies that want to know if your too fat... or too thin... or just too old! Talk about discrimination!
They ask questions about how educated you are... married or single?
Why do you need this much insurance? They'll let you know what they will cover you for... by the way... what is your income?
They even run rates different in different states. Can you imagine, in one state someone exactly like you is getting what you got for less...
from the same company... maybe they just don't like you 
?
You actually represent companies that will say "no" to someone who had a health issue no fault of their own.
Do you fly an airplane or race... how about mountain climbing?
Companies raise rates based on your age and where you live... they actually try to figure out ways to make money off your clients and will not provide coverage to the ones they think are risky... cause they don't want to loose money.
Felons, folks with misdemeanors are offered higher rates or no coverage at all. None...
I mean think about it... they are totally sexist. They are always asking questions about sex.
Rates lower for females while males suffer higher premiums... what's that all about. 
Have you ever had a company tell you someone was too poor to get an annuity from them? Yeah! Of course they don't say it that way... who knows maybe it's some sort of law or thingy.
Shall I go on...
So the next time you come on the forum and begin to preach how society doesn't see the equality of all men... you may just want to take a second look at the profession you are in and ask, "Why all the questions?"
Did you put Mildred in the GI policy because you felt she was equal to all your other clients?
You are assisting companies in their effort to discriminate... and you are getting paid to do it!
funny when you read some of the post on here and then think of it in that light.
Aids... yeah, was it your life style? Blood transfusion? Nope.. none for you, at least with this company... they don't like people like you. Next...
dangerous stuff.I have question... for those seeking social equality why in the world would you sell insurance for a living... especially life and health?
We produce and service a product that by its inherent nature looks for ways to keep people from getting it. That's why they have underwriting departments by the way, not to assist you in approving your application, but looking for reasons to deny it.
We work with companies that want to know if your too fat... or too thin... or just too old! Talk about discrimination!
They ask questions about how educated you are... married or single?
Why do you need this much insurance? They'll let you know what they will cover you for... by the way... what is your income?
They even run rates different in different states. Can you imagine, in one state someone exactly like you is getting what you got for less...
from the same company... maybe they just don't like you ?You actually represent companies that will say "no" to someone who had a health issue no fault of their own.
Do you fly an airplane or race... how about mountain climbing?
Companies raise rates based on your age and where you live... they actually try to figure out ways to make money off your clients and will not provide coverage to the ones they think are risky... cause they don't want to loose money.
Felons, folks with misdemeanors are offered higher rates or no coverage at all. None...
I mean think about it... they are totally sexist. They are always asking questions about sex.
Rates lower for females while males suffer higher premiums... what's that all about. Have you ever had a company tell you someone was too poor to get an annuity from them? Yeah! Of course they don't say it that way... who knows maybe it's some sort of law or thingy.
Shall I go on...
So the next time you come on the forum and begin to preach how society doesn't see the equality of all men... you may just want to take a second look at the profession you are in and ask, "Why all the questions?"
Did you put Mildred in the GI policy because you felt she was equal to all your other clients?
You are assisting companies in their effort to discriminate... and you are getting paid to do it!
funny when you read some of the post on here and then think of it in that light. Aids... yeah, was it your life style? Blood transfusion? Nope.. none for you, at least with this company... they don't like people like you. Next...
They don't discriminate the color greenI have just been thinking for a bit...
I have question... for those seeking social equality why in the world would you sell insurance for a living... especially life and health?
We produce and service a product that by its inherent nature looks for ways to keep people from getting it. That's why they have underwriting departments by the way, not to assist you in approving your application, but looking for reasons to deny it.
We work with companies that want to know if your too fat... or too thin... or just too old! Talk about discrimination!
They ask questions about how educated you are... married or single?
Why do you need this much insurance? They'll let you know what they will cover you for... by the way... what is your income?
They even run rates different in different states. Can you imagine, in one state someone exactly like you is getting what you got for less...
You actually represent companies that will say "no" to someone who had a health issue no fault of their own.
Do you fly an airplane or race... how about mountain climbing?
Companies raise rates based on your age and where you live... they actually try to figure out ways to make money off your clients and will not provide coverage to the ones they think are risky... cause they don't want to loose money.
Felons, folks with misdemeanors are offered higher rates or no coverage at all. None...
I mean think about it... they are totally sexist. They are always asking questions about sex.
Have you ever had a company tell you someone was too poor to get an annuity from them? Yeah! Of course they don't say it that way... who knows maybe it's some sort of law or thingy.
Shall I go on...
So the next time you come on the forum and begin to preach how society doesn't see the equality of all men... you may just want to take a second look at the profession you are in and ask, "Why all the questions?"
Did you put Mildred in the GI policy because you felt she was equal to all your other clients?
You are assisting companies in their effort to discriminate... and you are getting paid to do it!
Aids... yeah, was it your life style? Blood transfusion? Nope.. none for you, at least with this company... they don't like people like you. Next...
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Hey, man, a little friend of mine might disagree!They don't discriminate the color green
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Only because Jesus and the apostles never promoted revolution, but focused on changing hearts.
In my opinion, while the New Testament doesn't directly condemn slavery, it has much to say about how we treat others (e.g., "The Golden Rule" in Luke 6:31). Taking those principles into account led my Christian ancestors to become abolitionists.
Interesting article on the topic from Ravi Zacharias ministry:
How Can I Trust the Bible When It Was Used to Justify Slavery?
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