Post-Corona, Preparing for Normalcy

[Markthebroker]

You cannot say ... you know nothing about .... We don't know ... We don't know ... We don't know .... We don't know the source. We don't know ....

We have too little information to make any predictions or statements about ... Make no assumptions. Learn all we can ...

For a new strain of an existing disease, you are so, so cautious. And yes, we are pretty certain we know the source.

I'm sure you only get information from trusted sources such as FOX and RT.

For something you appear to have too little information to make any predictions or statements about, you are so, so assumptive. The duality is amazing!

You don't know that!

Actually, we do know it's not the Black Plague or Spanish Flu. We've tested it and named it, and it's not the Black Plague or Spanish Flu, and the fatality rates aren't even close. As a matter of fact, the loss of life years (years of remaining life expectancy a person has) from the deaths of Covid19, appear to be lower than the seasonal flu. Even though the most recent metrics shows its about 5 times deadly across a total population - it kills less young people, and more elderly people and those with health conditions with less remaining years of life. It's still killing people, but in terms of life years, it would need many many more elderly and or otherwise ailing to equate the same life years of the death of a child, of which the seasonal flu killed many, and this has killed very few.

 

[DaKine]

For a new strain of an existing disease, you are so, so cautious. And yes, we are pretty certain we know the source.



For something you appear to have too little information to make any predictions or statements about, you are so, so assumptive. The duality is amazing!



Actually, we do know it's not the Black Plague or Spanish Flu. We've tested it and named it, and it's not the Black Plague or Spanish Flu, and the fatality rates aren't even close. As a matter of fact, the loss of life years (years of remaining life expectancy a person has) from the deaths of Covid19, appear to be lower than the seasonal flu. Even though the most recent metrics shows its about 5 times deadly across a total population - it kills less young people, and more elderly people and those with health conditions with less remaining years of life. It's still killing people, but in terms of life years, it would need many many more elderly to equate the same life years of the death of a child, of which the seasonal flu killed many, and this has killed very few.

You are flat wrong the source has not been determined. They are still trying to find out if it actually came from an animal and the type of animal.

It may not be the Plague or Spanish Flu by name and classification but that does not mean it is not more deadly. Especially if precautions are not taken and governments are slow to respond. The United States was slow to respond and unprepared and now owns about a third of cases and 20% of deaths world wide.

For you to imply that the virus is less dangerous than the seasonal flu shows your ignorance.

 

[Markthebroker]

You are flat wrong the source has not been determined. They are still trying to find out if it actually came from an animal and the type of animal.

It may not be the Plague or Spanish Flu by name and classification but that does not mean it is not more deadly. Especially if precautions are not taken and governments are slow to respond. The United States was slow to respond and unprepared and now owns about a third of cases and 20% of deaths world wide.

For you to imply that the virus is less dangerous than the seasonal flu shows your ignorance.

Flat wrong, eh? Ok, I thought it came from an animal. Fair enough, I could be wrong on that. I guess we still don't know.

As far as fatality rates from infection, the Spanish Flu was about 20 times as deadly, and the Black Plague was between 20 times as deadly to 150 times as deadly depending on what, if any treatment was received and wiped out 30% to 60% of Europe's population. We are nowhere near those numbers. Spanish flu was around 10% fatality, and Covid-19 is about 0.5% or 0.66%. Italy has been one of hardest hit by Covid-19 with around 20,000 deaths. This is terrible, killing peoples parents, siblings, friends, and families. As far as the country of Italy that amounts the the typical number of deaths on a very slow weekend on any given month in the country. Terrible, but not 30% to 60% of the population.

I didn't imply or say that this virus is less dangerous than the seasonal flu. I was very clear that the fatality rate is higher with Covid-19. Very clear. For you to call me ignorant for that reason just means you didn't fully understand or read the paragraph. Ignorant is a funny accusation as it goes into detail on the types of deaths using what I thought was a reasonably sophisticated math concept.

 

[Newby]

I don't know who is saying what, but the folks I have blocked have been blocked due to their behavior and not because I didn't agree with them about something. Their behavior may have been in reaction to something on which we didn't agree, but I blocked them because of how they acted, not because of what they believed.

I disagree with all manner of good folks here on many issues important to me and wouldn't think to block them. Anyone on my block list is there because of themselves, not me. I enjoy my time here, and it has improved with every decision to block.

Everyone who I have blocked knows I do not see their posts, and yet they apparently have need to address me, talk about me, or otherwise allow me to occupy their minds rent free. So when someone protests that I have blocked them, consider the plain fact that the reason they are upset or angry about me having done so is because I am no longer available to receive the abuse that got them blocked to begin with. Must frustrate at least one or some of them to no end.

EDIT: I see after I posted this that at the bottom of the thread it says "see ignored content.". I see that pretty often, and I don't click on that ever. So whoever is posting and causing the confusion should know aI have no idea who is saying whatever it is that is being said. And I never will. Unlike those guys, I don't give any of them one second's worth of thought other than this post, which I am doing to respond to others, such as @Tahoe Ray and @Markthebroker with whom I do care to continue communicating.

Seems silly to block anyone. It only cripples and confuses you. It doesn't do anything for the people you blocked.

 

[DayTimer]

Seems silly to block anyone. It only cripples and confuses you.

I can tell you my experience has been nothing short of wonderful. Also, I am getting adept at understanding where I am missing context due to some material being hidden from me. And I don't do this for those I block. I do this for me.

Again, I do not block folks because I don't agree with them. I block them because when we do disagree, they resort to pre-pubescent insults, and cast me as the "troll" and the "bully." Nothing to worry you about as I don't think I have any of your agents blocked unless krobby is one of yours (and I highly doubt that). Other than that one, 85% of my blockees are EFES agency builders/recruiters.

So, with all due respect, newby, there is nothing silly about it.

Happy Easter!

 

[DayTimer]

My target market is auto repair shops, and I think they're going to largely be in the "don't give two sh*ts" group.

It will be interesting to see if folks return to work as normal of people continue to social distance and wear masks.

I am betting on "old habits' over new and human resilience.

You don't know that!

You are right, I do not know that. This has certainly been worse than SARS, MERS, and has killed more Americans than H1N1 (but Obama handled that far better than Trump handled this - no matter what narrative the right wing media wants to convey).

This genie is out of the bottle, so now we have to figure out whether it is possible to live a normal life with the genie among us.

First, the swine flu did not kill 17,000 people, as Trump maintained in his tweet. Nor did it kill 14,000, the figure he cited days earlier. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has estimated that H1N1 killed about 12,500 Americans between April 2009 and 2010, far fewer people than typically die each year from the flu. (Trump has gotten this figure right on other occasions.)

Second, the president's characterization of the government's response does not match reality. If anything, the response to H1N1 was swift in comparison to the current administration's handling of the coronavirus.

From First Case to Approved Test: Two Weeks
Though the H1N1 virus had begun spreading in Mexico, the first case in the United States was detected on April 15, 2009, in a 10-year-old patient in California. Two days later, CDC laboratory testing confirmed a second infection in an 8-year-old also living in California. Within one week, the CDC had activated its Emergency Operations Center to respond to what it had identified as an emerging public health threat.

Before the end of April, the government had declared a public health emergency and started releasing medical supplies and drugs from the CDC's Strategic National Stockpile. "The real-time PCR test developed by CDC was cleared for use by diagnostic laboratories by FDA under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) on April 28, 2009, less than two weeks after identification of the new pandemic virus," the CDC notes on its website.

And this is a real issue that could be the one thing that allows Trump to lose to someone like a corrupt corporatist like Joe Biden: Trump squandered two months that had he acted could have made this an H1N1-like event rather than the $hitshow we have to live with now.

No, President Trump, the Coronavirus Is Nothing Like… — ProPublica

 

[LostDollar]

"A return to normalcy" is highly unlikely.

 

[DonP]

I have to agree . A return to normalcy isn't happening for a long long long time. I just read a Who Dr said this will menace the human race for a long time. The earliest we'll see a vaccine widely distributed is 18-24 months( most take 5 yrs min). Yesterday i was changing my oil and need awech from neighbor. He stretched out and handed it to me not getting even close. 5 neighbors were sitting across the street all far apart. This is the new normal. How this affects f2f door knocks and appointments over time we doing know. This has affected every segment of society and will be burned on their brain.

 

[goillini52]

As a matter of fact, I've downright directly insulted that poop throwing a$$hole monkey boy goillini52 on multiple occasions, and even he hasn't blocked me yet.

Just food for though. Or, as it pertains to that poop throwing monkey man, Goillini52, poop for thought.

I've never blocked anybody....not even *ick, you tiny left handed freak.

 

[DayTimer]

I've never blocked anybody....not even *ick, you tiny left handed freak.

If I were anonymous like most folks here I wouldn't block anyone either. I know who you are but I'd bet 99.9% of those here do not know you other than as @goillini52

But I've not hidden who I am and those EFES guys definitely made it personal with the way they carried on last month. And at least one on the block list flat out made some sort of threat to me.

So, if I were an anonymous internet handle like most of you blocking wouldn't be necessary. But when you don't hide behind a handle, then $hit gets a little more real for you. I have blocked and will in the future block anyone who crosses the wrong lines.