Obama, Anti Bible?

[LGilmore]

"Got no clue what you mean"

No, you probably don't.

 

[Guest]

Neither do you, did you understand the post?

I worked for a large organization of liberal folks who just made stuff up according to how they thought and felt at any moment, with no ground in reality whatsoever. I meant it as a cliche', I know more about what you mean than you do. Been there, done that, deeply, and have moved way beyond. If you have no desire to partake of someone else's experience, are content where you're at, that's fine, absolutely no one at all in that whole organization did either, which absolutely substantiates what Charpress posted. And the effort was great, I assure you. Really, who do you suppose "lost"? "Seekers pretending to seek and therefore never finding anything of real lasting worth."

10-4 good buddy, we can still be friends and STRONGLY disagree (although we may not walk together unless we are agreed).

 

[Guest]

While this is funny, it's a major part of the problem.

People put all this faith in man (like pastors, preachers, etc), then are disappointed when they fall, as should be expected because we all fall short and ultimately get let down.

Including Ted Haggard? Where's Creflo $$$ Dollar when we need him?

If it's "guilty of bad hair" - Benny Hinn wins that one - hands down!

 

[Merlin]

Got no clue what you mean, you are simply giving your own opinion of God based on your own fallible thoughts and feelings. You have just broken the second commandment by creating a false image of God in your mind.

Well, you're not alone, I do it all the time. I just hate it when I do, and ask forgiveness. YMMV.
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Sure we are, and once a Christian sees himself for who he really is, he hates sin and the sin he does and the sinfulness in himself, and pleads the blood of Jesus for forgiveness of his guilt (and asks forgiveness of others if he has truly wronged someone - not just hurt their little feelings).

A non-Christian however, is usually okay with his guilt, gets more used to it, becomes comfortable with it over time, and eventually perhaps even insulates himself from even realizing it is there, all through a human rationalization process.
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Who is Forest???
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In the sense you mean it, I agree.

But I have seen, through experienced and wise influence, common-sense conservative folk grow in their faith and knowledge like a mighty oak to become strong influences towering like a giant redwood.

And I have seen liberal folk dissipate in every direction like so much chaff in the wind devolving eventually into a "non-event" on the plane of human existence.
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I've always like Michael Steele, this is awesome :

Michael Steele becomes first black RNC chairman - Yahoo! News

Barry is already a has-been, that has to be some kind of speed record he can add to his feeble attempts at actual accomplishment.

There is nothing wrong with feeling as empowered and as enlightened as you do. It's just that sometimes you come across like everything you say is the "right" way or the only way when in reality it is just "your" way. Your views are based on your experiences, what you've researched and who you've talked to. Same as anyone else who has a rational and compelling argument like LGilmore...I mean I get it and all...you are a Patriot...but it just gets a little overbearing after awhile

 

[LGilmore]

You're just falling back to that "my jesus can beat up your jesus" stuff....

There's absolutely no need.

 

[Guest]

There is nothing wrong with feeling as empowered and as enlightened as you do. It's just that sometimes you come across like everything you say is the "right" way or the only way when in reality it is just "your" way. Your views are based on your experiences, what you've researched and who you've talked to. Same as anyone else who has a rational and compelling argument like LGilmore...I mean I get it and all...you are a Patriot...but it just gets a little overbearing after awhile

Merlin, Merlin, oh how I pine for Camelot...oops, wrong dialog. But on that note, apparently there was concocted some imagery of this presidency as potentially Camelot revived with associations to the Kennedy Camelot. Now, Camelot (with Richard Harris) was a beloved movie of my childhood, I do remember how it ended.

Merlin, you are wrong, my views are not AT ALL based on my experiences, they are based on the Word of God - you are not reading these posts very closely - I can understand that. Therefore, it is not just "my way", it IS the only way, Jesus Christ. I've not quoted scripture but here it is: Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh to the Father but by me". Now that's not my rational and compelling argument, it is God's.

But yes, it IS based on my research into the plethora of evidence that supports the Bible. My faith is rational and I had to do that research long ago, from a lack of faith but a desire to believe; many do, who are logical thinkers and cannot at first take things simply at face value. And it IS based on who I have talked to (or Who has talked to me): "God has spoken to us in these last days through His Son..." and that is by way of the Bible, not an owl, Merlin, nor some mystical voices, emotions, experiences, impressions, and other such human (or demonic) devices, lest you misunderstand and think me psychotic.

And it's NOT the same as anyone's "rational and compelling" argument, that changes with the wind, or whatever. It is based on the Unchangeable Word of God, that is NOW forever SETTLED in Heaven.

I'm kinda gettin' the "feeling" you guys are not really Christians, are you? Actually, I'm being facetious using the word "feeling" because that has absolutely nothing to do with it. Simple logic will do. The Bible (Logos) defines a Christian, every argument I make is based on solid biblical theology, and you guys disagree in a large part, and find it "overbearing."

What say ye, Charpress, is me forehead flattened, or what?

In the spirit, I love (agape) you and take my responsibilities to witness seriously. But in my fallen flesh, it's Friday nite and this is great sport! It sharpens the wit, tests the faculties, works the mental acuity, proves the faith (faith without works is dead), and above all, is great fun! STUDY to shew thyself approved (of God and man), a workman that needeth not to be ashamed.

Take what you will, avoid what you won't. Selah.
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You're just falling back to that "my jesus can beat up your jesus" stuff....

There's absolutely no need.

Are you inferring there is more than one Jesus???

Who is Forest? You keep referring to Forest. Gore?

 

[Guest]

There's a maintenance guy in my building named Jesus, but he says it's "Hey Zeus" Either way it's a God complex I suppose.

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Are you inferring there is more than one Jesus???

 

[LGilmore]

"Are you inferring there is more than one Jesus???"

You honestly can't be that thick, can you?

Think man think. Think hard.

You're playing "who's a better christain again."

You feel the "jesus you know can beat the jesus I know", when they are the same jesus.

Ya just don't get it.

If ya gotta tell everybody how good a christain you are, by putting them down in comparison to yourself.. are you that good of a christain?

or are you typical of those I knew in church who would speak in tounges louder than anyone else, because they wanted everyone (but God) to know how much better they were at being a christain than the other members.

hence the "my jesus can beat up your jesus".... That's all you're attempting to do in these posts. Unfortunately, I don't think you see it.

Good Luck man.

 

[Tomfromtheshade]

To bring this back to bashing Obama, where the thread belongs, we do all know that he was born in Kenya and not even eligible to be president of the US right?

Just ask to see his birth certificate. He ain't got one.

 

[Guest]

"Are you inferring there is more than one Jesus???"

You honestly can't be that thick, can you?

Think man think. Think hard.

You're playing "who's a better christain again."

You feel the "jesus you know can beat the jesus I know", when they are the same jesus.

Ya just don't get it.

If ya gotta tell everybody how good a christain you are, by putting them down in comparison to yourself.. are you that good of a christain?

or are you typical of those I knew in church who would speak in tounges louder than anyone else, because they wanted everyone (but God) to know how much better they were at being a christain than the other members.

hence the "my jesus can beat up your jesus".... That's all you're attempting to do in these posts. Unfortunately, I don't think you see it.

Good Luck man.

I've said over and over how BAD a Christian I am and except for the grace of God would not even be alive. I'm not competing with you at all! We are discussing our worldviews, which happen to be polar opposites. If you don't think I get it, that is quite alright, and if you get nothing from my posts, that is okay too. I haven't looked lately but I think there are a whole lot of folks who read these posts. I'm not using you, man, God is using us both! Neither one of us can thwart His will in this deal. And probably neither one of us will ever know this side of Heaven, the spiritual ramifications that have occurred sometime, somewhere, with someone. That is completely up to Him.

I thank you for exposing and discussing your worldview, through which I have been challenged to discuss mine, and more importantly, the Basis of my worldview. I have enjoyed it very much.

There are two ways to attempt to convince: love or fear. I have chosen the latter here, what you call "my Jesus vs. your Jesus". I really don't like that terminology, and it certainly does not apply as far as I am concerned, but I have no problem accepting it as a way for folks to avoid certain topics or explain things away without having to engage fully and honestly in disagreeing with another's position. By fear I mean strong logical arguments as opposed to touchy feely lovey dovey stuff that is so in vogue today. I believe you are of the persuasion that everyone has their "own" different "concept" of Jesus, that there are no absolutes, (I may be wrong), and this is where you come up with the faulty Jesus vs. Jesus thing. Jesus Christ is the SAME yesterday (eternity past), today (present), and forever (the eternal future) FOR EVERYONE. Those are HIS words. Our little pea brain concepts really don't count if they don't line up with His. Again, that's a breach of the second commandment, and as has been stated before, we are ALL guilty. But that in no way changes the absolute fact of Who He is. That's ludicrous. He wrote it down for us and it is not difficult to understand. We can both differ in how we break the second commandment (and we both do break it - I emphasize that again, you seem to think I think I don't break ANY commandments), but the words of Christ are absolute and singular in meaning and are of NO private interpretation - the bible says that, clearly and absolutely.

If you think I'm thick, that's okay, but I don't relish the imagery of "my Jesus can beat up your Jesus". It makes absolutely no sense to me, but use it if you may. You have overused it and I might suggest trying another analogy, but no matter.

I'm guilty as charged for being "thick" but I rather think of it as deep, intense, or focused, which gets perceived as "thick". I've not put anyone down to make me look better, God forbid. I've just explained my biblical worldview; it's old fashioned and out of fashion nowadays. But I AM disappointed that you just describe me as thick, not getting it, telling me to "think man think", that I'm playing games, that I'm just trying to shout you down. None of that is really engaging in the topics of discussion. I state a position I take, or something I believe, and state why, as well as give the basis for that position or belief (mine is the Bible). What I was hoping was that if you disagree, that you would state YOUR position OR why you don't agree with mine, and WHY, and as importantly, how you arrived at your position and what is the basis for it. I've always said I agree to disagree. But you have hardly tried. Why do you even bother to post?

Well, that's not for me to answer, but I'm glad you post, what would a discussion be with only one side? We are fallible humans, God is the only one who has ONE side, the absolutely and completely correct side. He wishes for us to pursue it, and learn it, and grow in the grace of the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ - NOT engage in fallible, fallen, sinful, human feelings and perceptions and ideas, that constantly change with the chemistry in our physical bodies and minds.

Well, it's late, I've greatly enjoyed the discourse, and I pray someone has been enriched by it in a Godly way, and if so I humbly rejoice if I may have played a small part in any way.

I don't believe in Luck but I do pray that God bless you!

Oh...wanna discuss luck and chance sometime? Well, perhaps another day, another year.

Thanks also goes to Sam (owner) and Scott (mod) for not censoring these posts and allowing them to remain, for who knows WHEN someone may discover them sometime in the future?

I am certainly no threat to any person, I would never wish to harm anyone. But if I'm a threat to ignorance, apathy, and certain ideas such as atheism, liberalism, and false religions and concepts, then that's okay I suppose.

You may have the last word if you wish.

Peace.