Obama, Anti Bible?

[LGilmore]

"I don't judge"

Really? I would have never guessed by your posts.

"the memo you refer to is the Bible."

not the torah?
not the Qur'an?
or even the book of Mormon?

What about those billion chinese?

"There may be two or more sides to an argument. They CANNOT all be right."

But only your side is right?

Could some things in life leave us with bad decisions all the way around as the only outcome?

"Party on if that's your CHOICE."

the correct way to express that is "party on dudes!"

and then say "San Dimas High Rules!" ...

Remember "be excellent to each other."

 

[CPACINS]

"
"Party on if that's your CHOICE."

the correct way to express that is "party on dudes!"

and then say "San Dimas High Rules!" ...

Remember "be excellent to each other."

LG, I am going to have to disagree with you one more time. I get the feeling he is talking about Wayne's World. "Party On" would be a correct usage. Party on Wayne. Party On Garth!

 

[LGilmore]

"Party on Wayne. Party On Garth!"

True, True... excellent....Schwing....

However, Bill & Ted in their second movie got to meet God and visited their own personal hells while saving the babes.... they also beat the grim reaper in a wicked game of battleship, clue and twister....

Wayne got to meet Jim Morrison and Sammy Davis Jr.

If you guys were big Doors fans, I would have maybe referenced it that way...

Hey, at the end of the day... Thank you for the smiley face and sense of humor. It is much appreicated.

 

[Merlin]

I have not once mentioned my stance on the sin aspect of this. Murder is murder. You asked earlier if I was a death penalty guy, and I am not. In no way am I a fave of state sponsored murder, abortion or electric chair.

Now, I am a strong advocate for stiff sentences and no parole for serious and repeat offenders, but that's another topic for another day

So, hypothetical situation here....embryonic stem cell research(one of three kinds), has the ability to give us advances in science and medicine that could cure many diseases. However, it requires the destruction of the entity...but for every entity murdered, numerous more lives could be prolonged or saved through the discoveries found. But, if murder is murder...then people with this point of view will not support this research. Now, when we are at war and are fighting for our freedoms our heritage and our legacy, is it then also called murder when innocent people die in the line of fire? People who had no bone to pick with anyone? For that matter, what about our own troops being murdered? Seems to me if murder is murder this should also not be supported. It's the very same people who are shocked how anyone could kill a life to possibly save many more in the name of science, that are the first ones to accept the fact that many innocent people will be murdered in order to save many more lives and to preserve our country. You see, there are so many variables that come with either situation but when you say "murder is murder" you are disregarding those variables and in essence, contradicting yourself.

 

[CPACINS]

So, hypothetical situation here....embryonic stem cell research(one of three kinds), has the ability to give us advances in science and medicine that could cure many diseases. However, it requires the destruction of the entity...but for every entity murdered, numerous more lives could be prolonged or saved through the discoveries found. But, if murder is murder...then people with this point of view will not support this research. Now, when we are at war and are fighting for our freedoms our heritage and our legacy, is it then also called murder when innocent people die in the line of fire? People who had no bone to pick with anyone? For that matter, what about our own troops being murdered? Seems to me if murder is murder this should also not be supported. It's the very same people who are shocked how anyone could kill a life to possibly save many more in the name of science, that are the first ones to accept the fact that many innocent people will be murdered in order to save many more lives and to preserve our country. You see, there are so many variables that come with either situation but when you say "murder is murder" you are disregarding those variables and in essence, contradicting yourself.

Is abortion murder? That is what you need to ask yourself. How you got to the military is smoke and mirrors and changes the subject.


As for stem cells- there have been NUMEROUS experiments on trying to get empbryonic stem cells to be the magic bullet against diseases but all have failed. The only true break throughs have been with ADULT stem cells. But that isn't sexy news and doesn't support abortion and so you never hear anything about that. No babies have to be destroyed for adult cells and so that gets no media coverage.

 

[Merlin]

Is abortion murder? That is what you need to ask yourself. How you got to the military is smoke and mirrors and changes the subject.


As for stem cells- there have been NUMEROUS experiments on trying to get empbryonic stem cells to be the magic bullet against diseases but all have failed. The only true break throughs have been with ADULT stem cells. But that isn't sexy news and doesn't support abortion and so you never hear anything about that. No babies have to be destroyed for adult cells and so that gets no media coverage.

Point taken...most breakthroughs have come through Adult stem cells. May not have been my best example, but we would have never know this if we hadn't tried. If, it was highly successful we would have an entirely new argument on our hands. Nonetheless, by your own definition a "Murder is a Murder" there are no smoke screens. As I said before the statement itself takes away circumstance and variables. Whether you are killing a fetus, or are killing in war...a murder is a murder. What you are telling me is that it doesn't matter what the situation is, murder is never ok. Yet, many people who believe this still judge the situation and the circumstances and decide which is right and which is wrong.

 

[Guest]

"I don't judge"

Really? I would have never guessed by your posts.

"the memo you refer to is the Bible."

not the torah?
not the Qur'an?
or even the book of Mormon?

What about those billion chinese?

"There may be two or more sides to an argument. They CANNOT all be right."

But only your side is right?

Could some things in life leave us with bad decisions all the way around as the only outcome?

"Party on if that's your CHOICE."

the correct way to express that is "party on dudes!"

and then say "San Dimas High Rules!" ...

Remember "be excellent to each other."

Huh?!

Well, lotsa CHOICES there, and lotsa folks choose 'em ALL.

Party On.

(got no clue about Wayne's World, I use the term because it seems most folks want the country to become one big continuous party, price tag and consequences be damned.)
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Remember "be excellent to each other."

I believe that term means different things to you and I.

However, when I was an intelligent, ultra-liberal *** without a clue, someone was "excellent" to me in that they gave me the hard reality lessons. I did not realize nor appreciate it until a good while afterwards. I am simply "paying it forward" as the saying goes today. Perhaps it is not meant for you but rather a lurker. Perhaps it is meant for no one. Such is life this day.

Everyone wants all sugar and spice and everything nice, and don't realize they are malnourished and next to death (actually dead already), spiritually speaking.

Most people believe about anything new that comes down the pike, changing their beliefs as the wind changes direction or believing everything at once. I'm sure those of us who are steadfast and sure of our belief in the unchangeable nature of our God might rub folks wrong.

I've been on both (or all) sides. If we are of opposing opinions I assure you that logically and physically they cannot both be right. We can, however, agree to disagree.

Party on until the party's over, if you must. Just consider the chance that you may end up with one hell of a hangover.

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I don't have a thing against you or anyone else personally, LG, that's not for me to judge, it has already been judged by the God I serve, actually before the universe was even created (I know that's a stretch for most, but it involves time and eternity: the difference between God in eternity, and his physical creation in time). He knows ALL because he IS, but we DON'T know the future - therefore by free will there is TIME to make CHOICES before our demise, or the end of time, whichever comes first .

If you don't believe in that God then that's your problem, not mine. And the only way to that particular only God is through the particular historical person Jesus Christ. Now, don't jump the gun, I didn't make that up, no one could! God revealed it Himself in His wholly inspired Bible. Again, if you don't believe that, that's fine, but it's your problem, not mine. Not now.

My hands are clean you see, just by telling you. I have no more to do. I don't have to thump you over the head with a Bible. The rest is up to the Holy Spirit, and I pray He moves in your life and draws you to Jesus Christ.

If you DO feel that small still voice, a tug at your heart, you CAN go read the gospel of John (I suggest KJV but any good version) and feed your spirit. You (or anyone) can expressly PM me if truly inspired (even with faith as small as a mustard seed, or seemingly none at all). I'm nobody, but I know Somebody, and more importantly, Somebody knows me.

God Bless You.

 

[SunDevil]

"A WOMAN has the CHOICE of whether to have sex or not. "

I believe that should read, "A MAN has the CHOICE of whether
to have sex or not"
Colbert asks:
"What does family planning have to do with Americans already trying to feed their accidental families"

 

[LGilmore]

"God Bless You."

It's "May God Bless You". You should really stop telling God what to do...

Pat, by the way, It is truly great you "found" Jesus Christ as your personal lord and savior. It really is...

However, not all of us, needed a fall from grace in life to know things. You're a person who has bounced from one extreme to another. For you, the bounce was in the right direction...

Please don't assume everybody else has to follow your life example to be saved or have a place in heaven. That's arrogant and honestly incorrect. You are using yourself as the gold standard, or should I say God standard here.

Not everybody has to fall down to get up. Not everybody has to wallow and then clean up.

And honestly, I don't believe in "oli oli oxen free" as a religous standard of living a shite life and "finding the lord" later. That's making an assumption that the lord is stupid as he will look the other way because you took the dip in the pool.

As I said, it's great what you found and I'm happy for you that you found it. But honestly, I never lost it.

May God Bless You.

 

[Guest]

As I said, it's great what you found and I'm happy for you that you found it. But honestly, I never lost it.

I'm certainly no gold standard, and confident not arrogant, sorry if I come across that way, happens all the time.

Okay, I agree with your post. But now I'm confused. Please help me with TWO questions:

WHEN did you get what you never lost?

And WHAT is it that you have that you never lost?

Sorry, I may have asked them in reverse, well, please elaborate. Thanks in advance...

Patriot