We need a Baltimore Life contract for Tele-Sales. . .

[suranceman]

Good advice. The carriers that are going into telesales recklessly will begin to pull out. Foresters comes to mind.

But the carriers that are looking for strategic partners can make a killing if they work with their telesales partners and streamline processes.

Meanwhile, there are still carriers that have no electronic application and dont draft on SS deposit dates. They need to catch up, or they'll be left in the dust.

What do you mean by Foresters? Do they not to telesales now?

 

[NSRH]

What do you mean by Foresters? Do they not to telesales now?

No they do, but I have a feeling (and its only a feeling) that they will be cutting back the number of people they allow to do telesales.

 

[Todd King]

Well obviously. Small companies make stupid rules like this because they need to create a level playing field to gain traction.

Bigger companies don't care about the small fish, as long as the IMO is producing they're happy.

The most shocking thing of all is the fact that you really believe what you are saying. You have been fed some BS and you ate it all up.

Call some IMO's and play dumb, then you can come and tell me I'm right later.

Okay, let's give just one example of your "big" companies. Go and try to get a 120% (for FE) with Trans without a downline. Tell me how that works out for you. Meanwhile, go to Mutual and try to get a 120% without showing production. I could give more examples, but these two are enough to prove you wrong. After you check on this, then you can come and tell me I'm right later.

I've represented dozens of FE companies throughout my career. Most of them operate exactly how I've outlined. The rules are laid out to appease the complaining IMO. When someone (like you) complains, they can go back to the other IMO and slap them on the risk because they didnt follow "the rule".

I've said it before: many carriers do not care what you put your people at. It does not affect their bottom line, since all commissions are run through a master contract. If you pay an agent 4% or 140%, it still filters through a master contract and the carrier makes the same money.

You are trying to brainwash agents into thinking there is not a better deal out their for them.

There is, and their always will be.

Its the IMO's job to create value in addition to commission to keep agents.

Is this why you're worried?

I'm not worried at all. But as you've proven, unless it deals with a call center you really don't know what you're talking about.

But, I'm going to give you a chance here. Tell me what is the highest you can put an agent on with AM AM....brand new to the business. I'm not asking what you think they should be on, but what is the top level that you can give. I'm assuming the answer will be 5% less than what you're on, but let's just see what you say.

 

[suranceman]

Okay, let's give just one example of your "big" companies. Go and try to get a 120% (for FE) with Trans without a downline. Tell me how that works out for you. Meanwhile, go to Mutual and try to get a 120% without showing production. I could give more examples, but these two are enough to prove you wrong. After you check on this, then you can come and tell me I'm right later.




I'm not worried at all. But as you've proven, unless it deals with a call center you really don't know what you're talking about.

But, I'm going to give you a chance here. Tell me what is the highest you can put an agent on with AM AM....brand new to the business. I'm not asking what you think they should be on, but what is the top level that you can give. I'm assuming the answer will be 5% less than what you're on, but let's just see what you say.

I'm personally at over 120 with both trans and Moo and I have no down line.

Again, it's about who you know. These carriers don't operate along hard line rules you think they do. It matters not what they tell you personally. You're blatantly naive to think influence doesn't get you special deals in this or any other business.

And no I won't prove it because that would be beyond stupid on my part.

 

[NSRH]

Okay, let's give just one example of your "big" companies. Go and try to get a 120% (for FE) with Trans without a downline. Tell me how that works out for you. Meanwhile, go to Mutual and try to get a 120% without showing production. I could give more examples, but these two are enough to prove you wrong. After you check on this, then you can come and tell me I'm right later.




I'm not worried at all. But as you've proven, unless it deals with a call center you really don't know what you're talking about.

But, I'm going to give you a chance here. Tell me what is the highest you can put an agent on with AM AM....brand new to the business. I'm not asking what you think they should be on, but what is the top level that you can give. I'm assuming the answer will be 5% less than what you're on, but let's just see what you say.

Youre asking the guy that runs a captive shop what the most he'll pay an agent?

Its 70%.

 

[NSRH]

I'm personally at over 120 with both trans and Moo and I have no down line.

Again, it's about who you know. These carriers don't operate along hard line rules you think they do. It matters not what they tell you personally. You're blatantly naive to think influence doesn't get you special deals in this or any other business.

And no I won't prove it because that would be beyond stupid on my part.

This is normal industry practice. Some IMO's dont like agents talking about this because it cuts into their margins.

If you're an agent looking for better contracts, call around. You will find 5 points higher just about everytime.

 

[senior-advisor-indiana]

Okay, let's give just one example of your "big" companies. Go and try to get a 120% (for FE) with Trans without a downline. Tell me how that works out for you. Meanwhile, go to Mutual and try to get a 120% without showing production. I could give more examples, but these two are enough to prove you wrong. After you check on this, then you can come and tell me I'm right later.




I'm not worried at all. But as you've proven, unless it deals with a call center you really don't know what you're talking about.

But, I'm going to give you a chance here. Tell me what is the highest you can put an agent on with AM AM....brand new to the business. I'm not asking what you think they should be on, but what is the top level that you can give. I'm assuming the answer will be 5% less than what you're on, but let's just see what you say.

I'm higher than 120 on both of those companies with no down line...

 

[suranceman]

I'm higher than 120 on both of those companies with no down line...

No that's not possible! I just called Trans and Moo and they said that isn't possible! It just can't be!

 

[Rirwin]

Okay, let's give just one example of your "big" companies. Go and try to get a 120% (for FE) with Trans without a downline. Tell me how that works out for you. Meanwhile, go to Mutual and try to get a 120% without showing production. I could give more examples, but these two are enough to prove you wrong. After you check on this, then you can come and tell me I'm right

Todd, you are so very sadly mistaken. If you think agents are not getting a 120 with trans and moo, you are completely dilusional. Even IMO's on this forum give that amount.

Can you post your companies and contract levels and Maybe just for fun other recruiters here can do the same. Let's see who is honest and who is not.

 

[Todd King]

I'm personally at over 120 with both trans and Moo and I have no down line.

Again, it's about who you know. These carriers don't operate along hard line rules you think they do. It matters not what they tell you personally. You're blatantly naive to think influence doesn't get you special deals in this or any other business.

And no I won't prove it because that would be beyond stupid on my part.

I know you won't prove it because you can't. You're making this up at this point. Now, if you would like to try and prove this to me via private email or something, then I have no problem with that and will come back on here and tell the world you were right. I'm sure I'm going to hear crickets on this.

Just curious, who is your upline that can make these magical things come to life? Bet I don't get an answer on this either!